Discussion
I was just looking at the classifieds deciding on my next TVR, and was surprised (or not) to see that the prices of the Sagaris & T350s seem to be appreciating. Obviously these are desirable cars, and I see it as a good thing.
However, whilst I understand there are a lot of Chimaeras and Griffiths on the road, there are much fewer Cerberas, yet the prices seem static, perhaps even slightly lower than they were a year ago. I'm somewhat surprised, especially for the V8 versions.
Anyone got any views? Do you think that longer term the prices will eventually rise due to the demise of TVR, and the strong supply chain for parts? Or are TVR prices headed for a dive?
However, whilst I understand there are a lot of Chimaeras and Griffiths on the road, there are much fewer Cerberas, yet the prices seem static, perhaps even slightly lower than they were a year ago. I'm somewhat surprised, especially for the V8 versions.
Anyone got any views? Do you think that longer term the prices will eventually rise due to the demise of TVR, and the strong supply chain for parts? Or are TVR prices headed for a dive?
The problem with the Cerbera is that, whilst timeless against other marques, it doesn't have the modern looks of the later T cars. So values are somewhat pegged by the prices of the Chimaera and Griffith.
There is a certain air of uncertainty surrounding the AJP engine, all the 'one-off' bits that make owning and servicing these cars just that little bit more expensive, the fact that it's a 2+2 - meaning that it doesn't quite fit in the 2 seater sports car bracket, nor in the family GT bracket.
Add all these things together and the result is that the Cerbera tends to appeal to a much smaller range of people.
There is a certain air of uncertainty surrounding the AJP engine, all the 'one-off' bits that make owning and servicing these cars just that little bit more expensive, the fact that it's a 2+2 - meaning that it doesn't quite fit in the 2 seater sports car bracket, nor in the family GT bracket.
Add all these things together and the result is that the Cerbera tends to appeal to a much smaller range of people.
gruffalo said:
I think that prices for Cerbs are held down by chassis/reliability worries and some of the rattler cars out there.
Slowly as more chassis get sorted and us owners spend time and money doing more of them up then I think prices for original examples will start to rise.
Just my opinion.
And mine too, i said it when i owned one and still do now, nothing beats it bang per buck, but my God they can cost a lot to maintain.Slowly as more chassis get sorted and us owners spend time and money doing more of them up then I think prices for original examples will start to rise.
Just my opinion.
jammy_basturd said:
The problem with the Cerbera is that, whilst timeless against other marques, it doesn't have the modern looks of the later T cars. So values are somewhat pegged by the prices of the Chimaera and Griffith.
There is a certain air of uncertainty surrounding the AJP engine, all the 'one-off' bits that make owning and servicing these cars just that little bit more expensive, the fact that it's a 2+2 - meaning that it doesn't quite fit in the 2 seater sports car bracket, nor in the family GT bracket.
Add all these things together and the result is that the Cerbera tends to appeal to a much smaller range of people.
Sounds reasonable, although as a design I think it's ageing very well. Part of the problem may be that many people see it as an evolution of (or at least similar looking to) the Chimaera, which I don't think does it any favours. Almost every car 'enthusiast' I have met outside of TVR circles thinks the cerb has a rover engine. TVR was at its best when it was pushing the envelope of body shape, as I think they did with the Tuscan and T350. But having said that the Tam was daring but they're cheap. The Sag is a great car, but it's a mystery to me why it's worth 2x or 3x a T350 or cerb. The cerb's day will come, might be a long wait though There is a certain air of uncertainty surrounding the AJP engine, all the 'one-off' bits that make owning and servicing these cars just that little bit more expensive, the fact that it's a 2+2 - meaning that it doesn't quite fit in the 2 seater sports car bracket, nor in the family GT bracket.
Add all these things together and the result is that the Cerbera tends to appeal to a much smaller range of people.
FarmyardPants said:
Sounds reasonable, although as a design I think it's ageing very well. Part of the problem may be that many people see it as an evolution of (or at least similar looking to) the Chimaera, which I don't think does it any favours. Almost every car 'enthusiast' I have met outside of TVR circles thinks the cerb has a rover engine. TVR was at its best when it was pushing the envelope of body shape, as I think they did with the Tuscan and T350. But having said that the Tam was daring but they're cheap. The Sag is a great car, but it's a mystery to me why it's worth 2x or 3x a T350 or cerb. The cerb's day will come, might be a long wait though
Definitely agree with that. Doesn't help that everyone thinks of the Cerbera as a "hard-top Chimaera" - compounded by the fact that I have to use that exact description most of the time try and explain what a TVR is!Scary that in just 6 years, 80% of the people I meet don't even know what a TVR is any more!
Pursyluv said:
gruffalo said:
I think that prices for Cerbs are held down by chassis/reliability worries and some of the rattler cars out there.
Slowly as more chassis get sorted and us owners spend time and money doing more of them up then I think prices for original examples will start to rise.
Just my opinion.
And mine too, i said it when i owned one and still do now, nothing beats it bang per buck, but my God they can cost a lot to maintain.Slowly as more chassis get sorted and us owners spend time and money doing more of them up then I think prices for original examples will start to rise.
Just my opinion.
I think there are too many unknowns with the Cerbera which scare the average Joe away from the model. Unless they have deep pockets or are handy with the spanners
Most Cerbs are now over ten years old unlike the Sags and T350s , so in relative terms to old and knackered to command a great price. But I agree with Gazzab and Pusyluv, the later well sorted Cerbs as they left the factory are the ones to have, so will always be worth alot more.
Most Cerbs are now over ten years old unlike the Sags and T350s , so in relative terms to old and knackered to command a great price. But I agree with Gazzab and Pusyluv, the later well sorted Cerbs as they left the factory are the ones to have, so will always be worth alot more.
Edited by Gray_101 on Tuesday 11th December 21:29
I can't find any 4.5 Cerbs on sale for less than twice the price I paid for mine 18 months ago. Even though mine could best be described as a project, it was MOTd and drivable. I think prices have definitely firmed up, which is really bad news (because parts are now fewer and more costly, and it's more difficult to trade up) - unless you've bought your car as a garage queen investment.
Odd,what could be described as dated styling I think of as timeless.
For my money TVR and PW were at the top of their game with the introduction of the Cerb punching way above their weight .. plus the exclusivity of the AJP.
As for running costs,buying super car performance for what is saloon car money and hoping to run it on a shoestring is plain nuts unless you`re in a position to carry out your own maintenance ... compare the costs of running anything with similar performance.
I`ve found people who run Cerbs and TVR`s generally to be good "hands on"blokes,hopefully this will endure and they will remain affordable and not become "low mileage investments" pah !!
For my money TVR and PW were at the top of their game with the introduction of the Cerb punching way above their weight .. plus the exclusivity of the AJP.
As for running costs,buying super car performance for what is saloon car money and hoping to run it on a shoestring is plain nuts unless you`re in a position to carry out your own maintenance ... compare the costs of running anything with similar performance.
I`ve found people who run Cerbs and TVR`s generally to be good "hands on"blokes,hopefully this will endure and they will remain affordable and not become "low mileage investments" pah !!
I think values for the cerb are fairly steady at the moment, I paid 20k for my 4.5 in June 2006 with 12k miles on it & it's currently up for sale at just over £16.5k with 30k miles on it, if I hadn't pumped well over £12k into it excluding routine servicing then that's not to bad depreciation.
They said in car magazine this month that cerb values are on the up, that's good news for all the owners, happy days!
They said in car magazine this month that cerb values are on the up, that's good news for all the owners, happy days!
I agree that i think they may start to slowly increase. For me ( personally) They are my favourite road cars. I love Griffs too but I dont get on with the Tuscan styling or the Tamora although I think the T350 is pretty.
The Cerb for me is an iconic V8 bruiser of a car which demands respect, and the rarer they get the more of an event they seem to become. I sold my 997 last week as the Cerb was sitting in the garage most days doing nothing. Im now driving it every day and absolutely love it.
I think that the older sheddier type of cars arent doing the prices any favours, however there wil be a breed of buyer out there ( I was one) who will always pay decent money for a decent example. I beleve these later cars will be more regularly in the early to mid 20s in 12 months or so as people recognise what a bargain they are.
I love Griffs, but to me a Cerb is a much more exciting car and better bang for buck, especially with Sags being three times the price of the best Cerb.
The Cerb for me is an iconic V8 bruiser of a car which demands respect, and the rarer they get the more of an event they seem to become. I sold my 997 last week as the Cerb was sitting in the garage most days doing nothing. Im now driving it every day and absolutely love it.
I think that the older sheddier type of cars arent doing the prices any favours, however there wil be a breed of buyer out there ( I was one) who will always pay decent money for a decent example. I beleve these later cars will be more regularly in the early to mid 20s in 12 months or so as people recognise what a bargain they are.
I love Griffs, but to me a Cerb is a much more exciting car and better bang for buck, especially with Sags being three times the price of the best Cerb.
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