Outrigger replacement options
Discussion
I was working on my car again last night and although I probably could bodge my way through an MOT with the outrigger condition I am not 100% happy with this approach. The rest of the chassis is pretty solid, I have removed gearbox backwards on the car so can get up into the chassis trans tunnel and have a good look around. It is just the outriggers that are concerning me.
Although a few places do outrigger replacement with body in place on Griffs/Chims, I haven't heard about anyone doing Cerberas.
And, yes - I know body off full refurb is the way to go but I will be restoring the chassis to a decent standard and I am happy with it all except the outriggers. I don't know if anyone has had any success with v-welds or cutting access holes. Would be interested to hear anyone's experiences.
Although a few places do outrigger replacement with body in place on Griffs/Chims, I haven't heard about anyone doing Cerberas.
And, yes - I know body off full refurb is the way to go but I will be restoring the chassis to a decent standard and I am happy with it all except the outriggers. I don't know if anyone has had any success with v-welds or cutting access holes. Would be interested to hear anyone's experiences.
It is impossible to do a proper outrigger repair with the body on a Cerb. The access is impossibly tight and despite various so called specialists claiming to be able to do them in situ, the results are never good. I am sure djstevec will be along shortly with pics to illustrate the point!
Even if you can weld new sections in with V notches/patches and cutting holes in the body for access it is still impossible to properly paint or powdercoat the repaired section.
Its not that much hassle taking the body off to do it properly, the time and expense comes when you decide to get everything else done while the body is off!
Even if you can weld new sections in with V notches/patches and cutting holes in the body for access it is still impossible to properly paint or powdercoat the repaired section.
Its not that much hassle taking the body off to do it properly, the time and expense comes when you decide to get everything else done while the body is off!
Tanguero said:
Its not that much hassle taking the body off to do it properly, the time and expense comes when you decide to get everything else done while the body is off!
Having done my best to assist, I'm never going to try a DIY body off refurb on my own car.If I were convinced that the front section of the outriggers did anything structural at all, then I would consider an in situ corner replacement, with access holes cut through the fibreglass.
The rear outriggers are responsible for seatbelt and suspension mounts, so I would be far more inclined to consider a partial body lift. However, I wonder how many partial body lifts were converted in to full body off once the chassis was properly inspected.
I agree with all these comments and the car will have a body off (most likely over the winter). I was hoping to get in a couple of summer months driving before then though. If is was possible to do the outriggers in place, even with the view of body off and refurb in the near future to correct any weld issues, I would have been interested in doing this before the larger refurb. I would have though even a badly welded new outrigger would have more strength than a badly rusted one.
If it is not possible I will probably just cover them for the MOT (non structural anyway) and do the body off when I have more time/cash.
If it is not possible I will probably just cover them for the MOT (non structural anyway) and do the body off when I have more time/cash.
ukkid35 said:
Having done my best to assist, I'm never going to try a DIY body off refurb on my own car.
If I were convinced that the front section of the outriggers did anything structural at all, then I would consider an in situ corner replacement, with access holes cut through the fibreglass.
The rear outriggers are responsible for seatbelt and suspension mounts, so I would be far more inclined to consider a partial body lift. However, I wonder how many partial body lifts were converted in to full body off once the chassis was properly inspected.
Do you recall that moment when we stepped back and said "thats clear of the bolts" when we were doing the lift on Steves car? Thats is a partial body lift, the moment when you pause before lifting it the rest of the way off! If I were convinced that the front section of the outriggers did anything structural at all, then I would consider an in situ corner replacement, with access holes cut through the fibreglass.
The rear outriggers are responsible for seatbelt and suspension mounts, so I would be far more inclined to consider a partial body lift. However, I wonder how many partial body lifts were converted in to full body off once the chassis was properly inspected.
You have to disconnect just as much to lift it part way so you may as well do the job properly
I will even give you a hand!http://www.willowsportscars.co.uk/chassis_repair.h...
http://www.centraltvr.com/product/cerbera-chassis-...
So at that price, may as well sell a child/cat/organ and just get the whole thing done. Or spend the winter getting very friendly with welding goggles and find a zinc/powder/blessing chassis specialist to do the final steps.
I have read of 2" body lifts to do the outriggers, but having just had mine completly resprayed that just sounds like a recipe for disaster..
http://www.centraltvr.com/product/cerbera-chassis-...
So at that price, may as well sell a child/cat/organ and just get the whole thing done. Or spend the winter getting very friendly with welding goggles and find a zinc/powder/blessing chassis specialist to do the final steps.
I have read of 2" body lifts to do the outriggers, but having just had mine completly resprayed that just sounds like a recipe for disaster..
good40 said:
Would a car stood around in a garage for nearly two years need chassis work more so than one being used on a regular basis?
Depends on how either have been looked after!If the garaged car has been parked up in the middle of winter, without cleaning underneath (i.e. there's a build up of mud/dirt & salt on top of the chassis), then that might be worse than a car which has a regular clean underneath after being used.
If you see what I mean??
M
Byker28i said:
Just got mine back - having seen the work involved I can safely say the only way to do it is a body off and do it properly. Anything else, in my opinion, would be a bodge. There's no way you can get to some parts to weld without it.
Just dipped back into this thread and seems like a few photos of the outriggers repaired by a "specialist" I posted have gone....how weird....said "specialist" has gone out of business now I think.But as Byker says, body on outriggers simply cannot be done, evidence as below!
There's many more...but you get my drift!
Steve_D at Southways automotive seems to be specialising in TVR body-off chassis restoration.
I can't remember the prices, but I think they were pretty fair. They're based near Portsmouth.
http://www.southwaysautomotive.co.uk/SSC2/services...
Daniel
I can't remember the prices, but I think they were pretty fair. They're based near Portsmouth.
http://www.southwaysautomotive.co.uk/SSC2/services...
Daniel
djstevec said:
Just dipped back into this thread and seems like a few photos of the outriggers repaired by a "specialist" I posted have gone....how weird....said "specialist" has gone out of business now I think.
But as Byker says, body on outriggers simply cannot be done, evidence as below!
There's many more...but you get my drift!
That's scary...!!!!But as Byker says, body on outriggers simply cannot be done, evidence as below!
There's many more...but you get my drift!
djstevec said:
Just dipped back into this thread and seems like a few photos of the outriggers repaired by a "specialist" I posted have gone....how weird....said "specialist" has gone out of business now I think.
But as Byker says, body on outriggers simply cannot be done, evidence as below!
There's many more...but you get my drift!
That is really bad - I think I am getting drift indeed. I am surprised that there isn't a better outcome for in place repairs but if that is the state of an in place repair I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it.But as Byker says, body on outriggers simply cannot be done, evidence as below!
There's many more...but you get my drift!
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