Engine for reborn TVR
Discussion
Where does this story about the AJP being too dirty and expensive come from? If that was the story TVR came up with the explain why they stopped building it you can probably dismiss it as marketing BS to cover up the simple reason that PW had fallen out with Melling.
From my research for the various articles I've written I don't think it's any more expensive than the Speed 6 which is equally 'dirty' both just need updating and I don't think the money would be anywhere near the figure they were quoted by Ricardo to do the job.
That said I don't think there's any chance that either engine will re-appear, too much bad baggage and the new owners seem to want to, sensibly in my opinion, leave the past where it is and start with a clean sheet for their new cars.
From my research for the various articles I've written I don't think it's any more expensive than the Speed 6 which is equally 'dirty' both just need updating and I don't think the money would be anywhere near the figure they were quoted by Ricardo to do the job.
That said I don't think there's any chance that either engine will re-appear, too much bad baggage and the new owners seem to want to, sensibly in my opinion, leave the past where it is and start with a clean sheet for their new cars.
Isn't this all a bit academic? Engine technology has moved on in the last 10 years. Why start behind the curve? I think anyone starting production now would be a fool not to consider global markets. There seems to be a desire for TVR in the US for example, so why exclude ones self from such a source of buyers?
In the interview with PH the new owner said “It’s not about looking back to 2004 – there’s nothing wrong with the cars from 2004, they were fantastic cars. But it’s time to move on.”
Big clue there I think.
In the interview with PH the new owner said “It’s not about looking back to 2004 – there’s nothing wrong with the cars from 2004, they were fantastic cars. But it’s time to move on.”
Big clue there I think.
PuffsBack said:
AJP has zero chance of making a reappearance, too expensive, limited appeal but most of all far far to dirty.
The S6 now more reliable, cheaper to manufacture, much less hard core, sounds awesome and cleaner
Its a shame as the AJP was truly a TVR masterpiece
S6 may be about the same on reliability as the AJP8 but as dave mentions above the S6 was more expensive to manufacture, was worse for emissions and had an even more limited appeal. Above all the AJP8 is a lot lighter and more compact, as well as being the engine with the most torque per litre ever.The S6 now more reliable, cheaper to manufacture, much less hard core, sounds awesome and cleaner
Its a shame as the AJP was truly a TVR masterpiece
Boatbuoy said:
Isn't this all a bit academic? Engine technology has moved on in the last 10 years. Why start behind the curve? I think anyone starting production now would be a fool not to consider global markets. There seems to be a desire for TVR in the US for example, so why exclude ones self from such a source of buyers?
In the interview with PH the new owner said “It’s not about looking back to 2004 – there’s nothing wrong with the cars from 2004, they were fantastic cars. But it’s time to move on.”
Big clue there I think.
How old is the LS design now...?In the interview with PH the new owner said “It’s not about looking back to 2004 – there’s nothing wrong with the cars from 2004, they were fantastic cars. But it’s time to move on.”
Big clue there I think.
I didn't mention the LS. But if I did I'd have justified it by suggesting that its been subject to a rolling development program to keep it current/conformal.
All I was suggesting was that I don't think it'll be an AJP8 or SP6. That's all.
All I was suggesting was that I don't think it'll be an AJP8 or SP6. That's all.
Edited by Boatbuoy on Thursday 13th June 09:34
Boatbuoy said:
I didn't mention the LS. But if I did I'd have justified it by suggesting that its been subject to a rolling development program to keep it current/conformal.
All I was suggesting was that I don't think it'll be an AJP8 or SP6. That's all.
All I was getting at was evolution.. I am sure many will be thinking/wanting LS lumps to be used. With the S6 much of the evolution has already been done!All I was suggesting was that I don't think it'll be an AJP8 or SP6. That's all.
Edited by Boatbuoy on Thursday 13th June 09:34
V8 GRF said:
totally agreeA crate engine yes, but we need some more inventive thinking here than the accepted norm which is just too ubiquitous to carry any 'kudos'. I'm not saying it's a bad engine, it clearly isn't, but it's just 'old hat' imo, even the 'new 'version is just a tarted up variant
Sorry, it wasn´t my intention to start another thread: Which engine for a reborn TVR.
I was only surprised that the AJP is so much less loved than the Speed 6 engine and wanted to know the ideas of fellow AJP owners.
Because I don´t understand it, as I find the AJP such a gorgeous engine.
It is very smooth on torque which fits lovely to the beautiful elegant Cerbera shape, but is easily turned into a reving monster.
I think it is the best of both worlds comparing RV8 and Speed6.
The noise is a different matter, but have the feeling that every single TVR sounds different anyway.
I was only surprised that the AJP is so much less loved than the Speed 6 engine and wanted to know the ideas of fellow AJP owners.
Because I don´t understand it, as I find the AJP such a gorgeous engine.
It is very smooth on torque which fits lovely to the beautiful elegant Cerbera shape, but is easily turned into a reving monster.
I think it is the best of both worlds comparing RV8 and Speed6.
The noise is a different matter, but have the feeling that every single TVR sounds different anyway.
"If that was the story TVR came up with the explain why they stopped building it"
lol - OK so I believed the BS
Don't agree it has "even more limited appeal though", the AJP is a bit too hard core I think for a lot of people and the registration data suggests the S6 was extremely popular in the Cerbera once it came on stream.
My point is though that the Speed 6 because of its problems has had a quite a bit of development in the intervening years, not sure how much the FFF head etc cleans up the emissions etc, anyone know?. The AJP unfortuantey has been denied this, simply because it was 'right' out the box.
lol - OK so I believed the BS
Don't agree it has "even more limited appeal though", the AJP is a bit too hard core I think for a lot of people and the registration data suggests the S6 was extremely popular in the Cerbera once it came on stream.
My point is though that the Speed 6 because of its problems has had a quite a bit of development in the intervening years, not sure how much the FFF head etc cleans up the emissions etc, anyone know?. The AJP unfortuantey has been denied this, simply because it was 'right' out the box.
Edited by PuffsBack on Thursday 13th June 14:57
To me the AJP is in essence the sole of a TVR. I have never driven anything like it before and due to all the tree huggers will never drive the likes again, 13 years and counting and it still puts a massive smile on my face and it is still soooo fast regardless of hyped up power claims of more modern metal.
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