ABS on a Cerby?!
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I'm desperately wanting to buy a Cerbera, I've been aspiring to one for god knows how long, only problem now is that an experienced road-driving mate of mine is persisting that I if I'm going to get a superfast car that I make sure it has ABS..... and ofcourse we know the Cerbera doesn't have it..... so the question is:
Has anyone had ABS fitted to their Cerbera?
If so how much did it cost?
And what do people think about the whole issue!?
Thanks,
Matthew
Has anyone had ABS fitted to their Cerbera?
If so how much did it cost?
And what do people think about the whole issue!?
Thanks,
Matthew
Some comments here.
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In my experience so far Cerbera brakes are damn impressive. Even in damp conditions they'll stop you far quicker than you'd imagine.
Rather than relying upon driver aids and lose out on the Cerbera you really want I'd go for driver training instead, so you're able to better predict the surfaces you're on and the circumstances around you that require slowing down for.
You could also get specific training that would better show you the point of locking and allow you to best find a good technique for stopping.
After all there are situations where ABS only makes matters worse, such as gravel and snow and you cannot switch if off then...
Rather than relying upon driver aids and lose out on the Cerbera you really want I'd go for driver training instead, so you're able to better predict the surfaces you're on and the circumstances around you that require slowing down for.
You could also get specific training that would better show you the point of locking and allow you to best find a good technique for stopping.
After all there are situations where ABS only makes matters worse, such as gravel and snow and you cannot switch if off then...
Tripps said:
Rather than relying upon driver aids and lose out on the Cerbera you really want I'd go for driver training instead, so you're able to better predict the surfaces you're on and the circumstances around you that require slowing down for.
You could also get specific training that would better show you the point of locking and allow you to best find a good technique for stopping.
After all there are situations where ABS only makes matters worse, such as gravel and snow and you cannot switch if off then...
I really like driver aids .. and it's a selfish cost issue for the owner.
You might say *what price safety, and driver training is transferrable car to car* .. but :
I know someone who has done the excellent Police training ride-drive course and when they drive in that style they get 30% *increase* in fuel consumption, that's a lot of money going up in smoke everytime you drive.
Also to keep your new skills honed you'd want to book onto an airfield every month or so to practise your cadence braking, skid control and throttle traction control to make sure you're still as good as you could possibly be.
That all costs money.
For the odd occasions when you might encounter snow or gravel just drive a bit slower than you would otherwise do ..
I think it's important not to underestimate the role electronic aids have in our modern world.
On the other side of the coin, I'm also a firm believer that sports cars shouldn't necessarily be easy to drive , there should be some *challenge* element to getting the best out of them, and rewards for those who are gifted enough to do it .. but if given the choice I'd have traction control and ABS with the option of switching them out.
You might say *what price safety, and driver training is transferrable car to car* .. but :
I know someone who has done the excellent Police training ride-drive course and when they drive in that style they get 30% *increase* in fuel consumption, that's a lot of money going up in smoke everytime you drive.
Also to keep your new skills honed you'd want to book onto an airfield every month or so to practise your cadence braking, skid control and throttle traction control to make sure you're still as good as you could possibly be.
That all costs money.
For the odd occasions when you might encounter snow or gravel just drive a bit slower than you would otherwise do ..
I think it's important not to underestimate the role electronic aids have in our modern world.
On the other side of the coin, I'm also a firm believer that sports cars shouldn't necessarily be easy to drive , there should be some *challenge* element to getting the best out of them, and rewards for those who are gifted enough to do it .. but if given the choice I'd have traction control and ABS with the option of switching them out.
After a recent accident with the Cerbera I am looking at the possibility of fitting traction control to the Cerb. I would also like the possibility of turning it off for track days etc. But for run of the mill driving when you may be a bit tired then I think we should make the most of today’s technology, after all it may save your life.
joospeed said:
I think it's important not to underestimate the role electronic aids have in our modern world.
Another fine statement from the man who breathes torque for air.
I totally agree, the difference between no-aid and aid is like night and day if the setup is top-dollar ie pork, Fezz, Merc, Bim...
But to have the ability to turn the features off at the touch of a button is perfect for those hot summer days when you want a 'bit' of fun....
But if the car hasnt come with them as standard, it can be a very costly venture to get them added later, especially for a marquee that does not have those features available even as options with next to zero aftermarket support...
I'll have the Motec traction and launch control functionality included in my project, all part of the Advanced Features option for the Motec M800 ecu. But I will also be looking into ABS when I get to the brakes stage later in the year, the new differential has ABS support which is a good thing, so all thats needed is the rest of the circuitry when the whole braking system gets ripped out and replaced with 8-pots up front and 6-pots on the rear.
For those interested in aftermarket traction control facilities, dont risk it, there are many limitations and issues which can lead to unpredictable results and also lead to engine damage in some cases (do a search on google)... I'd say invest in an ecu with the feature as part of the system and go down that route... you would still be looking at the region of around 3k+, probably more when you realise that certain other things need replacing too (as is always the case with major conversions that dont have off-the-shelf support)....
You wouldnt walk into a thorny bush, butt naked would you? I guess you can say the car needs some protection too, when you're a little tired! (we've all been there, sometimes just poodling along, want to be in bed, and shoulders feel like they want to drop off, and alertness just falls through the floor, this is when little aids come in handy to assist in slow reaction times, I dont think sportscar owners are superheros, everyone can suffer from lax... its natural)
joospeed said:
On the other side of the coin, I'm also a firm believer that sports cars shouldn't necessarily be easy to drive , there should be some *challenge* element to getting the best out of them, and rewards for those who are gifted enough to do it .. but if given the choice I'd have traction control and ABS with the option of switching them out.
As a victim of a Chimaera swapping ends under heavy braking on M40 (NOT my fault - police confirmed), I always wondered why switchable driver aids were not on the options menu - Moleskins and BS please take note
PS I am little fed up of reading how many people have pulped their cars this winter - everyone's premiums go up. Put your willy back in its warmer and draw your horns in until it dries up!!!
jfk1958 said:
Would Trevor sell more cars if they had ABS or Traction control, personally i dont think so unless they want to go for a different market e.g. M3 etc type drivers....all the thrills without the skills.
Thats a debatable thing...
If they add those features, then we'll be looking at 911 prices....
TVR's sell, because they give you power for the pound.
That power for the pound will fade away if they go more mainstream and start adding 'modern' features - which there is nothing wrong with, and if you have the buttons to switch on and off, trust me, on the roads you would most likely leave them on most the time... being arnie behind the wheel isnt the only way to enjoy driving, you can do it in style, mr Bond....
Good points but lets bear in mind that as used car prices drop, TVR's (Cerbera's and other models)are available for £10k or less. This may be attracting a different market, younger possibly less experienced guys used to the latest driving aids.
Maybe this is why we are seeing more more accidents!!!!
Maybe this is why we are seeing more more accidents!!!!
jfk1958 said:
Maybe this is why we are seeing more more accidents!!!!
Thats a VERY GOOD point! Sadly true too! It makes me feel a little 'average' when I see spotty-faced dennis down the road drive past in a silver cerbera 4.5 with jet-horn exhausts and blacked out windows.... oh well that will soon change...
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Thats a debatable thing...
If they add those features, then we'll be looking at 911 prices....
TVR's sell, because they give you power for the pound.
That power for the pound will fade away if they go more mainstream and start adding 'modern' features - which there is nothing wrong with, and if you have the buttons to switch on and off, trust me, on the roads you would most likely leave them on most the time... being arnie behind the wheel isnt the only way to enjoy driving, you can do it in style, mr Bond....[/quote]
That's the point - OPTIONS & SWITCHABLE
PS Agree about young Chav's going from 200 bhp FWD hatches to Cerbera's and Tuscan's because of the prices - shouldn't be allowed without Ride-Drive certificates - how can they afford the insurance anyway!
jfk1958 said:
Would Trevor sell more cars if they had ABS or Traction control, personally i dont think so unless they want to go for a different market e.g. M3 etc type drivers....all the thrills without the skills.
Thats a debatable thing...
If they add those features, then we'll be looking at 911 prices....
TVR's sell, because they give you power for the pound.
That power for the pound will fade away if they go more mainstream and start adding 'modern' features - which there is nothing wrong with, and if you have the buttons to switch on and off, trust me, on the roads you would most likely leave them on most the time... being arnie behind the wheel isnt the only way to enjoy driving, you can do it in style, mr Bond....
[/quote] That's the point - OPTIONS & SWITCHABLE
PS Agree about young Chav's going from 200 bhp FWD hatches to Cerbera's and Tuscan's because of the prices - shouldn't be allowed without Ride-Drive certificates - how can they afford the insurance anyway!
I'm not spotty 
or called Dennis 
Well thanks all for your input!
Going by the general concensus I went and bought a Cerby on Saturday! and I'm gonna take the advanced driving lessons before I start thinking about having traction control fitted.
Looks like a minimum £2000 jobby so save that for another day!
Thanks again
Happy Driving!
Mega excited,
Matt
Going by the general concensus I went and bought a Cerby on Saturday! and I'm gonna take the advanced driving lessons before I start thinking about having traction control fitted.
Looks like a minimum £2000 jobby so save that for another day!
Thanks again
Happy Driving!
Mega excited,
Matt
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