Cerbera vs Griffith on paper
Discussion
Claimed rather than verified, but whatever
Cerbera 4.5RR
Length 4,280 mm
Width 1,865 mm
Height 1,220 mm
Weight 1,060 kg (51:49) (4.5 Lightweight)
Power 440 (approx 400bhp/ton)
0-62 3.9
Max 193
Griffith £90k
Length 4,314 mm
Width 1,850 mm
Height 1,239 mm
Weight 1,250 kg (50:50)
Power 500 (approx 400bhp/ton)
0-62 under 4
Max 200
Cerbera 4.5RR
Length 4,280 mm
Width 1,865 mm
Height 1,220 mm
Weight 1,060 kg (51:49) (4.5 Lightweight)
Power 440 (approx 400bhp/ton)
0-62 3.9
Max 193
Griffith £90k
Length 4,314 mm
Width 1,850 mm
Height 1,239 mm
Weight 1,250 kg (50:50)
Power 500 (approx 400bhp/ton)
0-62 under 4
Max 200
I hadn't seen a Cerbera for quite a few years, but there was one parked near the office a few weeks ago and it was striking just how small and low it now seems when parked next to more recent cars. Quite remarkable given it has four seats and a fair sized boot. I think the Cerbera and that era's Griffith represent the high water mark of Blackpool TVR design.
I like the look of the new Griff a lot. It looks like a nicely judged balance of technology and old-school driver involvement, and it has captured a great deal of the style of the Blackpool TVRs. If it handles well and is reliable, then it looks competitively priced compared to its peers. If you take the prices of TVRs from the last generation and adjust them for inflation and recognise that the new TVR is a more up-market product, then the price looks reasonable. Yes, it's a lot of money, but it also looks like you're getting quite a lot for the money.
I like the look of the new Griff a lot. It looks like a nicely judged balance of technology and old-school driver involvement, and it has captured a great deal of the style of the Blackpool TVRs. If it handles well and is reliable, then it looks competitively priced compared to its peers. If you take the prices of TVRs from the last generation and adjust them for inflation and recognise that the new TVR is a more up-market product, then the price looks reasonable. Yes, it's a lot of money, but it also looks like you're getting quite a lot for the money.
Let's get real, a tuned 4.5 is 420bhp, all do around 4 secs 0-60 as it's getting the power down and the start. The real grunt is 40-170+, I.e. Once it's rolling and the power is on.
Comparing a twenty year old car to the new one when we don't have performance figures yet?
I fully expect it to outperform the Cerbera, mpg, top speed, acceleration, but probably only by a bit. I mean the cerbera is bloody fast in all aspects, so 0-60 maybe by a smudge, but the real acceleration will be good.
We'll have to have another runway day when the new cars are delivered
Now, on the reveal live stream, looking from the front high angle, it really looked like it had a cerbera roof line. Loved the colour, I mean red with a cream interior is the best combination
Comparing a twenty year old car to the new one when we don't have performance figures yet?
I fully expect it to outperform the Cerbera, mpg, top speed, acceleration, but probably only by a bit. I mean the cerbera is bloody fast in all aspects, so 0-60 maybe by a smudge, but the real acceleration will be good.
We'll have to have another runway day when the new cars are delivered
Now, on the reveal live stream, looking from the front high angle, it really looked like it had a cerbera roof line. Loved the colour, I mean red with a cream interior is the best combination
In relation to the new TVR, this is what I have been whinging about for months.
Twenty years have gone by. Everything else has moved on substantially, but this seems at best a pretty marginal improvement. Seeing as it is a 6 speed gearbox, depending on the ratios, it might not even feel any faster.
In relation to my TVR, this is what I have been celebrating for months.
Twenty years have gone by. Everything else has moved on substantially, but still there is little that is appreciably faster than my car, within any realistic prospect of ownership. Another new supercar has been launched with comparable figures to something I own.
Twenty years have gone by. Everything else has moved on substantially, but this seems at best a pretty marginal improvement. Seeing as it is a 6 speed gearbox, depending on the ratios, it might not even feel any faster.
In relation to my TVR, this is what I have been celebrating for months.
Twenty years have gone by. Everything else has moved on substantially, but still there is little that is appreciably faster than my car, within any realistic prospect of ownership. Another new supercar has been launched with comparable figures to something I own.
Edited by NuddyRap on Saturday 9th September 13:00
TwinKam said:
Nice one, Paul.
But you forgot to compare downforce @ 190mph...
Although it looks like it should have significant downforce, there doesn't appear to be any mention of wind tunnel testing in any of the press releases - and I'm sure that wouldn't have been omitted if there were.But you forgot to compare downforce @ 190mph...
The only really significant improvements are likely to be emissions and economy, which although necessary for regulatory purposes, are highly unlikely to sway the weekend driver.
NuddyRap said:
Twenty years have gone by. Everything else has moved on substantially, but still there is little that is appreciably faster than my car, within any realistic prospect of ownership. Anither new supercar has been launched with comparable figures to something I own.
Exactly my point, I have no doubt that it will be a 'better' car, but 20 years on and you'd hope it would be.
NuddyRap said:
In relation to the new TVR, this is what I have been whinging about for months.
Twenty years have gone by. Everything else has moved on substantially, but this seems at best a pretty marginal improvement. Seeing as it is a 6 speed gearbox, depending on the ratios, it might not even feel any faster.
In relation to my TVR, this is what I have been celebrating for months.
Twenty years have gone by. Everything else has moved on substantially, but still there is little that is appreciably faster than my car, within any realistic prospect of ownership. Another new supercar has been launched with comparable figures to something I own.
0-100 is being speculated in the 6 seconds... as for 0-100-0 times..Twenty years have gone by. Everything else has moved on substantially, but this seems at best a pretty marginal improvement. Seeing as it is a 6 speed gearbox, depending on the ratios, it might not even feel any faster.
In relation to my TVR, this is what I have been celebrating for months.
Twenty years have gone by. Everything else has moved on substantially, but still there is little that is appreciably faster than my car, within any realistic prospect of ownership. Another new supercar has been launched with comparable figures to something I own.
Edited by NuddyRap on Saturday 9th September 13:00
BJWoods said:
0-100 is being speculated in the 6 seconds... as for 0-100-0 times..
That would put in this territoryMcLaren F1 6.0 V12 - [1994] 0-100 mph time - 6.3 seconds
Ferrari Enzo 6.0 V12 - [2002] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
Ferrari SA Aperta Pininfarina 6.0 V12 - [2011] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
McLaren F1 LM 6.0 V12 - [1995] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
Pagani Zonda F - [2005] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
Maserati MC12 6.0 V12 - [2004] 0-100 mph time - 6.8 seconds
Sorry, but I seriously doubt it.
ukkid35 said:
That would put in this territory
McLaren F1 6.0 V12 - [1994] 0-100 mph time - 6.3 seconds
Ferrari Enzo 6.0 V12 - [2002] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
Ferrari SA Aperta Pininfarina 6.0 V12 - [2011] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
McLaren F1 LM 6.0 V12 - [1995] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
Pagani Zonda F - [2005] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
Maserati MC12 6.0 V12 - [2004] 0-100 mph time - 6.8 seconds
Sorry, but I seriously doubt it.
I agree completely. Also seriously doubt it. Assuming it doesn't make 100mph in 2nd, which would be unusual gearing for a 6 speed box, two very fast gear changes would still add 0.6s to the time. McLaren F1 6.0 V12 - [1994] 0-100 mph time - 6.3 seconds
Ferrari Enzo 6.0 V12 - [2002] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
Ferrari SA Aperta Pininfarina 6.0 V12 - [2011] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
McLaren F1 LM 6.0 V12 - [1995] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
Pagani Zonda F - [2005] 0-100 mph time - 6.7 seconds
Maserati MC12 6.0 V12 - [2004] 0-100 mph time - 6.8 seconds
Sorry, but I seriously doubt it.
This means it would need to be quicker than an Enzo to cope with the difference in gear change speed vs the paddle shift box in order to remain in the 6s bracket.
Twenty years have gone by. Everything else has moved on substantially, but still there is little that is appreciably faster than my car, within any realistic prospect of ownership. Another new supercar has been launched with comparable figures to something I own.
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Exactly my rationale when deciding to save money by pumping a fair bit less than a 1/4 of the £90k tag into the Cerbera...
And not sure it it's growing on me now or apart from me. It's just not hitting my impulses
Edited by NuddyRap on Saturday 9th September 13:00
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Exactly my rationale when deciding to save money by pumping a fair bit less than a 1/4 of the £90k tag into the Cerbera...
And not sure it it's growing on me now or apart from me. It's just not hitting my impulses
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