rear anti roll bar mount

[Toady1]

I checked under my car tonight after removing the osf wheel to take to the tyre shop tommorow, and found the o/s rear anti roll bar mount to the body has broken. Im sure this has happend to others on here before, so was just wondering if anyone knew the best place to get one from, and the cost? thanks in advance!
Liam

[carl_w]

I think trackcar's advice will be to break the other one too...

[gazzab]

If you move to nitrons etc and plan to do track days then just remove the arb.

[Toady1]

whilst doing a search before posting the topic i read that people have removed the rear arb, but surely thats not a good idea as your promoting more rear body roll, therefore the inside rear wheel on a corner will be even less weighted and have less traction?

[Toady1]

or....in that case does anyone who has removed theirs have one i can buy off them? heh heh!

[suffolkfox]

Dealer, about £10

www.tvrgear.com/ProductDetail.asp?ProductID=22660

edited to show link

>> Edited by suffolkfox on Wednesday 23 November 22:30

[GreenV8S]

Toady1 said:

whilst doing a search before posting the topic i read that people have removed the rear arb, but surely thats not a good idea as your promoting more rear body roll, therefore the inside rear wheel on a corner will be even less weighted and have less traction?

It actually has the opposite effect. By reducing the roll stiffness at the rear you reduce the weight transfer at the rear in cornering, hence more grip at that end.

[Toady1]

suffolkfox - thanks for that!

[Tam Lin]

GreenV8S said:

Toady1 said: whilst doing a search before posting the topic i read that people have removed the rear arb, but surely thats not a good idea as your promoting more rear body roll, therefore the inside rear wheel on a corner will be even less weighted and have less traction? It actually has the opposite effect. By reducing the roll stiffness at the rear you reduce the weight transfer at the rear in cornering, hence more grip at that end.

Believe me, removing it works. If anyone wants a rear ARB, I'll sell my old one for a pint Free up some space in the garage, too.

[Julian64]

Tam Lin said:

GreenV8S said: Toady1 said: whilst doing a search before posting the topic i read that people have removed the rear arb, but surely thats not a good idea as your promoting more rear body roll, therefore the inside rear wheel on a corner will be even less weighted and have less traction? It actually has the opposite effect. By reducing the roll stiffness at the rear you reduce the weight transfer at the rear in cornering, hence more grip at that end. Believe me, removing it works. If anyone wants a rear ARB, I'll sell my old one for a pint Free up some space in the garage, too.

Out of interest how do you actually take it out of the car? Releasing it is easy but removing it looks like a chinese puzzle from Mr Rubicks Wong.

[satman]

Julian64 said:

Out of interest how do you actually take it out of the car? Releasing it is easy but removing it looks like a chinese puzzle from Mr Rubicks Wong.

I do believe that Joos just uses a couple of heavy duty cable ties to keep the ARB up out of the way...

>> Edited by satman on Thursday 24th November 08:09

[longbow]

You might get more grip out of corners, but the rear will break away more suddenly when it finally lets go - so you aren't getting something for nothing.

[Julian64]

satman said:

Julian64 said: Out of interest how do you actually take it out of the car? Releasing it is easy but removing it looks like a chinese puzzle from Mr Rubicks Wong. I do believe that Joos just uses a couple of heavy duty cable ties to keep the ARB up out of the way... >> Edited by satman on Thursday 24th November 08:09

So, noone has actually removed an antirollbar, they are just swinging around in a cable tie breeze?

I think I'd probably leave it connected and make up some reason why its better connected than have that insult my eyes every time I look underneath the car.

[trackcar]

lol .. you can remove the earlier type roll bar that mounts under the chassis .. the later type that threads across the top of the diff is a little more tricky.

Martin Short used to chop it out, but that's a kind-of one way street, I undo it from the drop links, cable tie the drop links to the lower wishbone, then remove the top wishbones so i can rotate the roll bar vertically upwards and secure it to the rear of the bodywork in the inner wing. that way you *can* replace it if you ever feel the need.

I don't remeove the roll bar on every car, it depends what the owner has asked of the handling .. if they want a playful lower-grip oversteery type car then i leave it on.

[plasticman]

The antiroll bar does come out because I managed it on mine.I rember it was very hard but I did not have to move anything big like the diff .I did not want to carry all that weight around , I put all the bits safely into a box then kick it round the garage , Dave

[350matt]

Interesting, I take it improves the ride a little bit as well? I might try this on my new aquisition, (bought the cerby off work)

Matt

[Julian64]

trackcar said:

if they want a playful lower-grip oversteery type car then i leave it on.

That sounds like my favourite way for both the cars and women in my life.

[TooTall Paul]

trackcar said:

lol .. you can remove the earlier type roll bar that mounts under the chassis .. the later type that threads across the top of the diff is a little more tricky. Martin Short used to chop it out, but that's a kind-of one way street, I undo it from the drop links, cable tie the drop links to the lower wishbone, then remove the top wishbones so i can rotate the roll bar vertically upwards and secure it to the rear of the bodywork in the inner wing. that way you *can* replace it if you ever feel the need. I don't remeove the roll bar on every car, it depends what the owner has asked of the handling .. if they want a playful lower-grip oversteery type car then i leave it on.

I take it mines chopped out then ?

[Toady1]

the thing is though with the roll bar on you would get a more progressive feel to the back end breaking traction. I can see why the lack of one would increase the rear grip but surely it would lose its progressive oversteer characteristics. With the roll bar removed once the rear end does breal away it would be SO much more of a mission to get it back under control. Id rather leave mine on so will fix my bracket. Does anyone know what colour the std shocks are? the ones on the front of my car look blue...but i have a receipt in my sh for some avo's. It may be that it only has avo's on the rear.

[purpleheadedcerb]

The merits of the anti-roll bar removal were done some time ago. I can't advise on the Cerbera as I haven't done it but on back to back tests at Snetterton in my Dolly Sprint the transition from controlled oversteer to spin hits alot quicker with the anti-roll bar. Without it, the transition is alot slower and you can feel the breakaway point better.

I had taken it off wanting to hate it as I had it in my head that it would be all blobby and rolly but with decent shocker settings its quite nice.