Slow return on throttle
Slow return on throttle
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dean_ratpac

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1,582 posts

307 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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I'm having a slight problem with the return/drop in revs between 2500/3500; it’s as if the throttle cables’ held somewhere. Does anyone know the points I should grease/oil up to get a smooth response?

Cheers
Dean

cossiemetro

1,092 posts

269 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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stick another spring on it but check for any kinks or bends first

dean_ratpac

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1,582 posts

307 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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cheers cossiemetro, anyone know where to get this type of spring, it returns fine low and very hight revs but seems to dwindle about coming down in mid rev range.

Duke Thrust

1,680 posts

268 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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I had this problem, changed the cable and all was well. (not a fun job though)

dean_ratpac

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1,582 posts

307 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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did it ease up afterwords?

Duke Thrust

1,680 posts

268 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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Yep, is totally perfect now, really quick to close the throttles

Edited to add: If you do change it youself, make some good notes as to exactly where the cable runs, also be prepared to feel very sick with your head in the footwell for an hour or so.

Edited by Duke Thrust on Tuesday 26th September 16:48

GreenV8S

31,017 posts

313 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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If it's the cable then obviously there's a chance that eventually the throttle will stick fully open. Not a nice prospect.

TT Tim

4,168 posts

276 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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GreenV8S said:
If it's the cable then obviously there's a chance that eventually the throttle will stick fully open. Not a nice prospect.


No, it isn't. This happened to one of the sprinting guys at Goodwood and the results were catastrophic! Broken crank, munched pistons etc etc.

Get it sorted now!

Tim

cossiemetro

1,092 posts

269 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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you can get a spring the you can retro fit but make sure its not too strong

dean_ratpac

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1,582 posts

307 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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I will take a look tonight, ah the thought of being upside down for an hour!
Cable replacement, are these readily available? I might just check for any cable fraying first. the spring i will look out for - any ideas where to source one from do they have specs? anyone.. .....bueller....bueller....?

morebeanz

3,283 posts

265 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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I have a cable that I keep in the boot for emergencies - sourced from Fernies.

Let me know if you can't source one...

dean_ratpac

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1,582 posts

307 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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morebeanz said:
I have a cable that I keep in the boot for emergencies - sourced from Fernies.

Let me know if you can't source one...

cheers Ian!

gazzab

21,639 posts

311 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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I also have a spare if you are desparate.

GreenV8S

31,017 posts

313 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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I don't think a stronger spring is the answer. If the problem is the cable, then fitting a stronger spring will only hide the symptoms temporarily. Meanwhile you still have the prospect that the cable will eventually snap (potentially dangerous at the wrong time, and inconvenient) or stick with the throttle wide open (which is pretty likely to be disasterous).

gazzab

21,639 posts

311 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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If it sticks open then you either have an accident or you stick it in neutral, switch the engine off and then you virtually lose your brakes ! Difficult situation and one to avoid.

jensena

5,671 posts

259 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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Mine was similar to yours....Remove the cable at the throttle end (engine) so you can get to it easier, and spray loads of WD40, use the little plastic tube that you get with them when new (and always lose after 2 days !!) to direct it into the cable, and just keep squirting and pulling the inner cable up and down, then more oil, and so on. If that doesnt make any difference, then you need a new cable.

dean_ratpac

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1,582 posts

307 months

Tuesday 26th September 2006
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jensena said:
Mine was similar to yours....Remove the cable at the throttle end (engine) so you can get to it easier, and spray loads of WD40, use the little plastic tube that you get with them when new (and always lose after 2 days !!) to direct it into the cable, and just keep squirting and pulling the inner cable up and down, then more oil, and so on. If that doesnt make any difference, then you need a new cable.


thanks all, i'm gonna try the oil, i was tonight - but bloody trains (2 cancelled, and one seriously delayed) so too tired and wound up now!

Cheers Dean

Julian64

14,325 posts

283 months

Wednesday 27th September 2006
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Now, I have to take umbridge with this thread. On my car there are two springs making sure that if the throttle cable ever breaks the throttle WILL be closed.

One is a circular type on the throttle shaft itself and one is a dirty great spring attached to the cam covers. Either would easily close the throttle. I know cos its all my poor fingers can do to hold it open when I'm playing under the bonnet.

Unless these are breaking and not being replaced I really can't see that they could stick open regardless of what happens to the throttle cable.

GreenV8S

31,017 posts

313 months

Wednesday 27th September 2006
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Julian64 said:
Now, I have to take umbridge with this thread. On my car there are two springs making sure that if the throttle cable ever breaks the throttle WILL be closed.

One is a circular type on the throttle shaft itself and one is a dirty great spring attached to the cam covers. Either would easily close the throttle. I know cos its all my poor fingers can do to hold it open when I'm playing under the bonnet.

Unless these are breaking and not being replaced I really can't see that they could stick open regardless of what happens to the throttle cable.


The scary failure mode isn't the cable snapping, it's the cable jamming inside the outer. If the throttle cable wears out you can be left with broken bits of wire inside the sheath which them jam it solid. Early symptoms can include a cable that just feels a bit sticky, as in this case.

Please sir, can we have our umbridge back please? hehe

Julian64

14,325 posts

283 months

Wednesday 27th September 2006
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GreenV8S said:
Julian64 said:
Now, I have to take umbridge with this thread. On my car there are two springs making sure that if the throttle cable ever breaks the throttle WILL be closed.

One is a circular type on the throttle shaft itself and one is a dirty great spring attached to the cam covers. Either would easily close the throttle. I know cos its all my poor fingers can do to hold it open when I'm playing under the bonnet.

Unless these are breaking and not being replaced I really can't see that they could stick open regardless of what happens to the throttle cable.


The scary failure mode isn't the cable snapping, it's the cable jamming inside the outer. If the throttle cable wears out you can be left with broken bits of wire inside the sheath which them jam it solid. Early symptoms can include a cable that just feels a bit sticky, as in this case.

Please sir, can we have our umbridge back please? hehe


No, I'm eating your umbridge . Reason being that you've never heard of a thread where I guy gets in his car tries to push the throttle down but just can't cos the cable's stuck.

If you did have those sort of threads I could understand why a cable gets so stuck that the two springs can't pull it.

No, I think I'm unbridge central and will continue to believe dealers don't check both springs are still present on these near miss cars, which dirve arounf for a while with one spring and then when the final one goes its rev city.