Tail-light sealant melted
Tail-light sealant melted
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ireland

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3,517 posts

243 months

Friday 19th January 2007
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I came home yesterday after a 200 mile drive and found this black streak inside my back light



I took the light out tonight and found the sealant used around the light had melted



I thought originally it was the heat off the exhaust that had caused the problem but it seems the sealand was just a poor quality and, since I had the lights on all the journey, the heat of the bulb melted it.

I scraped the sealant off, wiped it down with white spirits, and it ended up like this



As this is a complete light enclosure fitted inside the original back lens, I have left out the sealant.

Hopefully this is the end of this stupid problem. byebye

UpTheIron

4,058 posts

297 months

Friday 19th January 2007
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I had a similar problem on my Chim when the brake light switch broke, hence the brake light was on most of the time generating much more heat...might be worth checking yours?

ireland

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3,517 posts

243 months

Saturday 20th January 2007
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They're not on all the time, I'm sure of that.

But the heat of the tail light bulb for 200 miles may have done it if it was softened by other journeys.

I reckon the prevoius owner never used the car much.

The mileage on the service receipts showed the car wasn't used very often.

Plus the headlights were all over the place when I got it so I reckon it hardly ever was out at night and he didn't turn the lights on too often.

ridds

8,372 posts

273 months

Saturday 20th January 2007
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Very very odd. I don't know of any RTV that would melt with the heat from a buld, especially radiated heat from that distance on a moving car.....

Really strange.

gazzab

21,640 posts

311 months

Saturday 20th January 2007
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Are those aftermarket lights hotter than standard fiesta lights?

ireland

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3,517 posts

243 months

Saturday 20th January 2007
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gazzab said:
Are those aftermarket lights hotter than standard fiesta lights?


Temperature - I'd say yes

Appearance - not too sure rolleyes



Is that what they are off, a Fiesta?

I couldn't see any markings and I was curious.

jensena

5,671 posts

259 months

Saturday 20th January 2007
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I'd put sealant back on - it is there for a reason. I use Silicone External Roof & Gutter sealant from B&Q, and that doesnt melt!

ridds

8,372 posts

273 months

Saturday 20th January 2007
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jensena said:
I'd put sealant back on - it is there for a reason. I use Silicone External Roof & Gutter sealant from B&Q, and that doesnt melt!


That stuffs pretty nasty. Think it has some bitumen products in it.

Black RTV from loctitie is best. I use it to seal engine blocks and it NEVER leaks.

jensena

5,671 posts

259 months

Saturday 20th January 2007
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ridds said:
jensena said:
I'd put sealant back on - it is there for a reason. I use Silicone External Roof & Gutter sealant from B&Q, and that doesnt melt!


That stuffs pretty nasty. Think it has some bitumen products in it.

Black RTV from loctitie is best. I use it to seal engine blocks and it NEVER leaks.


No - they do 2 types, one has bitumen in it - nasty, I bought it by mistake necause it has nearly identical packaging, the silicone one is good.

gazzab

21,640 posts

311 months

Saturday 20th January 2007
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One of my perspex covers is getting steamed up. Does this require renewal of the sealant ? How do you remove the light etc....?

Ireland

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3,517 posts

243 months

Saturday 20th January 2007
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I reckon the one on mine definitely had some trace of bitumen in it.

As it is a "lens behind a lens" set-up I'm not sure if I need the silicone between the lamp and the outside lens.

There are no leaks from the outside to the inside and it should also allow heat that may build up to escape.

I'll try it for a week or two and chack it again.

It's not a big job to add sealant if I find it is required.


Since I haven't done anything to the RHS one I can always use that to compare with.

gazzab

21,640 posts

311 months

Saturday 20th January 2007
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You will prob get condensation without sealant?

ireland

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3,517 posts

243 months

Sunday 21st January 2007
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Just as well I didn't re-seal it.

More of the stuff melted today and ran down the lens.

It's got to come out again and have the crap completely removed off it.


The last car I had that had me getting the toolbox out so often was a Beetle driving

I'm enjoying it though.

byker28i

91,624 posts

246 months

Sunday 21st January 2007
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jensena said:
ridds said:
jensena said:
I'd put sealant back on - it is there for a reason. I use Silicone External Roof & Gutter sealant from B&Q, and that doesnt melt!


That stuffs pretty nasty. Think it has some bitumen products in it.

Black RTV from loctitie is best. I use it to seal engine blocks and it NEVER leaks.


No - they do 2 types, one has bitumen in it - nasty, I bought it by mistake necause it has nearly identical packaging, the silicone one is good.



Yup be careful about this - it's very easy to get the two mixed up, the labeling is awful. I've used the B&Q silicone sealent on my clutch master cover. You can get a very smooth join with it.

ridds

8,372 posts

273 months

Sunday 21st January 2007
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byker28i said:
jensena said:
ridds said:
jensena said:
I'd put sealant back on - it is there for a reason. I use Silicone External Roof & Gutter sealant from B&Q, and that doesnt melt!


That stuffs pretty nasty. Think it has some bitumen products in it.

Black RTV from loctitie is best. I use it to seal engine blocks and it NEVER leaks.


No - they do 2 types, one has bitumen in it - nasty, I bought it by mistake necause it has nearly identical packaging, the silicone one is good.



Yup be careful about this - it's very easy to get the two mixed up, the labeling is awful. I've used the B&Q silicone sealent on my clutch master cover. You can get a very smooth join with it.


Think I must have gotten the wrong one then when I selected it last time then. laugh

jbvipercerb

246 posts

249 months

Sunday 21st January 2007
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I would have said the bst sealant ot use,which i'm sure was the origional stuff, is Sikkens (or similar) polyurethane adhesive and sealant, its expensive at a tenner plus, but oh does it stick well and is fairly firm out of the tube so more or less glues parts into place and can be over painted. Just the surfaces have to be clean.idea
The answer to gazzab as how to take the light units out is, there are screws through the light inside the boot behind the carpet covers. The clear lens has to be cut out.

gazzab

21,640 posts

311 months

Sunday 21st January 2007
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thanks - do you cut the lens out from inside the boot or from the outside?

jbvipercerb

246 posts

249 months

Sunday 21st January 2007
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I don't know, but I would have thought cut it with a really sharp knife from the outsidebut if you can get in from the inside it would be safer for the paintwork, and the nerveseek Does the lens need to come out? It doesn't need to be removed to just change the light unit that just unscrews from the inside of the boot.

ireland

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3,517 posts

243 months

Sunday 21st January 2007
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The clear lens has been left in place on mine.

The replacement light assembly fits inside it without any trimming.

gazzab

21,640 posts

311 months

Sunday 21st January 2007
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thanks
I am assuming that my lens is getting steamed up as water is getting in from the outside (hebce why I need to remove and refit the lens).