Whatever happended to the Phoenix?
Whatever happended to the Phoenix?
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Podie

Original Poster:

46,649 posts

304 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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All seems to have gone quiet... any news..?

Vaguely recall reading a post that suggested it would be finished by May...

nelly1

5,665 posts

260 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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You sure it didn't just say '...MAY be finished...'

HarryW

16,028 posts

298 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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Last I saw there was some major issues with the engine linked to the basic design being ever so slightly flawed yikes.
The remedial action for that was to be fully known/understood by Feb, I'm sure Ash will be along with an update at somepoint soon.


Edited by HarryW on Tuesday 30th January 10:58

TT Tim

4,168 posts

276 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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No doubt we will all be told that it was Autocrafts fault that there is a problem and that Paul at Austec will sort it, I believe that Paul will be tackeling world poverty and debt next.

No offence Paul, but Ash does tend to build people up a bit!

The Pheonix is a fantastic project, I sincerly hope that one day we see it on the road.

Tim

Steve_T

6,356 posts

301 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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TT Tim said:
No doubt we will all be told that it was Autocrafts fault that there is a problem and that Paul at Austec will sort it, I believe that Paul will be tackeling world poverty and debt next.

No offence Paul, but Ash does tend to build people up a bit!

The Pheonix is a fantastic project, I sincerly hope that one day we see it on the road.

Tim


Tim, I agree that sometimes Ash can be a bit full on in what he says, I've been on the receiving end, but you need to see the engine for yourself to appreciate what's happened and the problems that remain to be solved. Ash might indeed say something along the lines of what you've said above, in his more lurid moments, but the important point is Paul wouldn't.

Steve.

slinky

15,704 posts

278 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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Can't say I'm suprised it's not finished in all honesty.. That's what happens when you try to re-invent the wheel with some bamboo..

TT Tim

4,168 posts

276 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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Strikes me that Ash should be talking to Al Melling about using his new engine.

I can see it now:

"Hello, Mr Melling?'
'Yes'
"Would you like to show TVR what a real Melling powered car is like?'
'Yes'
'How much for one of your fabulous new engines, it's got to be less than I've paid to try and build this one?'

to be continued ...

Tim

HarryW

16,028 posts

298 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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Tim agree with your sentiments and as Steve says you really have to see it to understand what the problems are. I don't think Paul is interested in sorting the world out just now, or ever. He's got enough to get on with, my motor first hehe.
Not sure about the re-invent the wheel bit but I think a clean piece of paper may have been better.

gazzab

21,640 posts

311 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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I wish Paul luck with the project.

SXS

3,065 posts

286 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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The basic truth is, the engine was no where near ready to be assembled as I was led to believe by the previous tuner.
We've had to majorly re-work the bottom-end further, Paul is waiting for further CNC'd bits to turn up now. Plus 2 lots of pistons were wrong from the old tuner, and it doesnt look like they're interested in refunding, might have to chase this up through legal channels. In the meantime, Paul has recieved a new set of pistons from his German supplier.

Anyway, bottom-line is a shit load more work has had to be done, but the pain is nearly over. I think we're still dead-on-schedule for May.

I'm always optimistic, couldnt give a monkeys arse if that winds people up.
Building an engine to handle mega-horsepower for continuous road-duty is not a simple game, especially out of a swiss-cheese engine, sure I could have taken shortcuts and had this car up and running yonks ago, but then that defeats the objective. Why not just get it right first time? or at least do ALL that is theoretically possible.

Anyway, not long to go now.
I know there are people who go around chatting rubbish behind my/projects back, if only they had the nerve to spread rumours upfront in person so I could...
but thats not the way spineless weeds grow... nothing fishy going on, projects moving forward, and May is still on.

I'm not a frequent browser of online forums anymore, sadly I have no time due to recent business ventures, but in due-course we'll all have the phoenix running and doing her stuff to talk about.

So please hang with me fella's!

Pauls doing all he can to keep things rolling, but its personally my fault because I keep adding more theories into the pot, I'm not one to ignore a new theory, but hopefully the outcome will be far better than was originally estimated...

Edited by SXS on Tuesday 30th January 14:44

HarryW

16,028 posts

298 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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Good to hear things are moving along Ash. Hope to see it again soon when I visit the shop .

SXS

3,065 posts

286 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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on another note, for the techies, the compression ratio is now 7:1
no trophies to guess what that means

Steve_T

6,356 posts

301 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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SXS said:
on another note, for the techies, the compression ratio is now 7:1
no trophies to guess what that means


Erm, you have the right pistons at last?

HarryW

16,028 posts

298 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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Did V4 of my pistons turn up in the same box confused, I make 7:1 about 11 down on what it was yikes

southendpier

6,208 posts

258 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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i do not know what this meant but it sure sounds exciting.

I googled 7:1 and:

"Chrysley Plymouth
1953-1954 changes under the hood of the 1953 models was the same 117 cubic inch L-head six found in Plymouths since 1942. However, this years horsepower came at an exact 100, an increase of three, thanks to a 7.1 to 1 compression ratio (up from 7:1). "

I am still none the wiser.

Good luck with project though.


gazzab

21,640 posts

311 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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Not heard any rumours myself Ash so I dont think there is much being said beyond the obvious eg wrong pistons.

davidd

6,713 posts

313 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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I can think of two things..

either it is lower so there is more boost or higher so there is less (or maybe none)

TT Tim

4,168 posts

276 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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southendpier said:
i do not know what this meant but it sure sounds exciting.


Forced induction, turbo or supercharger.

I think the smart money's on Supercharger.

Tim

gazzab

21,640 posts

311 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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Supercharger is going on!

Billy_rfc

587 posts

284 months

Tuesday 30th January 2007
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I thought Ash was going for the first diesel AJP8 with the compression ratio he was running rolleyes