Opinions! Replica of Work Cr wheel by Rota; good for Cerbies
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Found a perfect wheel for the cerb. Check out www.rotawheelsuk.com and look for the Rota Torque.
It's available in 18*8 offset 35 for the fronts and 18*9,5 offset 35 for the rear. Looks good in terms of weight,pcd and offset. Looks better interms of price compared to the Work wheels.
It's available in 18*8 offset 35 for the fronts and 18*9,5 offset 35 for the rear. Looks good in terms of weight,pcd and offset. Looks better interms of price compared to the Work wheels.
They're nie, but i'd prefer these, on a red cerb! http://www.rotawheelsuk.com/alloys.php?product_id=...
dc53 said:
They're nie, but i'd prefer these, on a red cerb! http://www.rotawheelsuk.com/alloys.php?product_id=...
Agree....look mutts....also look good on a silver jobbie!Dave
arjenmens said:
Found a perfect wheel for the cerb.
18*9,5 offset 35 for the rear. Looks good in terms of weight,pcd and offset.
by what logic does it look good in terms of offset?18*9,5 offset 35 for the rear. Looks good in terms of weight,pcd and offset.
take spiders, most opt to use front spiders all round because rear spiders at 8.5j 33mm are known to fit badly, rubbing the arches because the low offset of 33mm pushes the wheels too far out into the arches. yet you're saying a 9.5 wide wheel with 35mm offset looks good? how, when it will push 11mm further into the arch than a rear spider which already rubs badly, also as regards clearance on the inside of the wheel to the strut housing, thats 6mm less on the inside than even those using high 42 offset 8.5 front spiders on the back, has anyone else ventured this far in terms of inner clearance?
Looks good in terms of offset means that the 35mm is the correct offset. I did not speak about rimwidth.
About the rubbing part....
I already asked on the forum if anyone has a possitive experience with 9,5J rears. One of the guys told me that when the car is fully loaden and he makes a curve on the highway (not a sharp curve)it sometimes rubs. He had Vortex R wheels 19" offset 35 and 9,5J.
Fact is that a lot of guys have 9,5J in 18"or 19" on their cars. It also matters if you have 255 or 265 reartyres. SP12 wheels have 9J on the rears and state that, in case of 265 tyres, modification could be needed.
About the rubbing part....
I already asked on the forum if anyone has a possitive experience with 9,5J rears. One of the guys told me that when the car is fully loaden and he makes a curve on the highway (not a sharp curve)it sometimes rubs. He had Vortex R wheels 19" offset 35 and 9,5J.
Fact is that a lot of guys have 9,5J in 18"or 19" on their cars. It also matters if you have 255 or 265 reartyres. SP12 wheels have 9J on the rears and state that, in case of 265 tyres, modification could be needed.
arjenmens said:
Looks good in terms of offset means that the 35mm is the correct offset. I did not speak about rimwidth.
offset is a pretty useless value without the associated rimwith imho, as when you start to increase rim width from factory spec, the original offset means not all that much, you simply have to find out whether you have more clearance to play with on the inside of the rim or the outside near the arch to accommodate the larger width, and adjust offset accordingly, if you have plenty of clearance to play with, choose the offset within the clearance range you have to play with which is expected to provide the most appropriate geometry for your applicationBeing in a daily business of axles/wheels/offset, i know an offset is not a pretty useless factor. Wheelbearingdesigns and offsetfigures are important. Changing an offset simply to be able to fit a wheel is pretty useless. You just take the liberty to change loadcases on a bearing and say that it is more important to be able to fit a wheel.
My opinion is stick to a factory-offset if you do not know what the tolerances are. Then the rimwith comes in. The question is, in case of a 9,5J rim, if you do have the space to go 1" inwards and 1" outwards. This compared to a standard rim with 7,5J.
Here on the forum I only got a feeling what other people experienced. Not a black and white answer: fits or does not not fit.
My opinion is stick to a factory-offset if you do not know what the tolerances are. Then the rimwith comes in. The question is, in case of a 9,5J rim, if you do have the space to go 1" inwards and 1" outwards. This compared to a standard rim with 7,5J.
Here on the forum I only got a feeling what other people experienced. Not a black and white answer: fits or does not not fit.
Call me a sad git, but I still think the spiders look sublime, if only they were stronger and came in bigger widths to accomodate more tread up the rear arse....
Polished spiders with diamond cut effect finish would look bliss!
I personally also like these italian design jobbies:
http://www.millemiglia.co.uk/bigwheel.php?wheelID=...
Cos they flow curves, and that goes with the curves of the car, go straight cuts and it looks a little tits IMO TBH FFS... (I'm gettin the hang of these acronyms!
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Polished spiders with diamond cut effect finish would look bliss!
I personally also like these italian design jobbies:
http://www.millemiglia.co.uk/bigwheel.php?wheelID=...
Cos they flow curves, and that goes with the curves of the car, go straight cuts and it looks a little tits IMO TBH FFS... (I'm gettin the hang of these acronyms!
)I have fitted a set of rota torque alloys to my Tuscan.
I went for an 8" width on the front and 8.5" on the rear. The offset on the front works out to be correct after allowing for the reduction in rim width. The rear offset moves the face of the wheel 3mm further out. The wheels are fitted with toyo R888 tyres, 225/40/18 front and 255/35/18 rear. These tyres wear a much squarer shoulder profile than many other types, and I did experience some slight rubbing in the rear arches initially. The ride height has now been raised a little and has cured the problem.
I did look at trying to fit the 9.5" width to the rear but rejected the idea as the offset would have been way off.
The wheels are a fair bit lighter than the spiders, particularly at the front because of reducing the width by .5" and this can definitely be felt through the steering, which feels less stodgy and more eager.
I would agree with many others that the spiders still look fantastic and suit the car perfectly, but they are both heavy and relatively soft. There must be a fair market out there for anyone able to produce a strong light weight spider copy.
I can well understand the wish to increase rim width in order to be able to fit a wider tyre to improve grip and traction. The grip and traction we desire can be achieved in other ways though, whilst R888's won't suit everyone the improvment in grip they give over normal road tyres has to be experienced to be believed. When coupled with a well set up package of quality adjustable shocks and Steve Heath's rose jointed rollbar drop links the need to fit wider rims becomes far less compelling.
I went for an 8" width on the front and 8.5" on the rear. The offset on the front works out to be correct after allowing for the reduction in rim width. The rear offset moves the face of the wheel 3mm further out. The wheels are fitted with toyo R888 tyres, 225/40/18 front and 255/35/18 rear. These tyres wear a much squarer shoulder profile than many other types, and I did experience some slight rubbing in the rear arches initially. The ride height has now been raised a little and has cured the problem.
I did look at trying to fit the 9.5" width to the rear but rejected the idea as the offset would have been way off.
The wheels are a fair bit lighter than the spiders, particularly at the front because of reducing the width by .5" and this can definitely be felt through the steering, which feels less stodgy and more eager.
I would agree with many others that the spiders still look fantastic and suit the car perfectly, but they are both heavy and relatively soft. There must be a fair market out there for anyone able to produce a strong light weight spider copy.
I can well understand the wish to increase rim width in order to be able to fit a wider tyre to improve grip and traction. The grip and traction we desire can be achieved in other ways though, whilst R888's won't suit everyone the improvment in grip they give over normal road tyres has to be experienced to be believed. When coupled with a well set up package of quality adjustable shocks and Steve Heath's rose jointed rollbar drop links the need to fit wider rims becomes far less compelling.
spicy six said:
I have fitted a set of rota torque alloys to my Tuscan.
I went for an 8" width on the front and 8.5" on the rear. The offset on the front works out to be correct after allowing for the reduction in rim width. The rear offset moves the face of the wheel 3mm further out. The wheels are fitted with toyo R888 tyres, 225/40/18 front and 255/35/18 rear. These tyres wear a much squarer shoulder profile than many other types, and I did experience some slight rubbing in the rear arches initially. The ride height has now been raised a little and has cured the problem.
I did look at trying to fit the 9.5" width to the rear but rejected the idea as the offset would have been way off.
The wheels are a fair bit lighter than the spiders, particularly at the front because of reducing the width by .5" and this can definitely be felt through the steering, which feels less stodgy and more eager.
I would agree with many others that the spiders still look fantastic and suit the car perfectly, but they are both heavy and relatively soft. There must be a fair market out there for anyone able to produce a strong light weight spider copy.
I can well understand the wish to increase rim width in order to be able to fit a wider tyre to improve grip and traction. The grip and traction we desire can be achieved in other ways though, whilst R888's won't suit everyone the improvment in grip they give over normal road tyres has to be experienced to be believed. When coupled with a well set up package of quality adjustable shocks and Steve Heath's rose jointed rollbar drop links the need to fit wider rims becomes far less compelling.
How long do the R888's survive for road use? and are they prone to aquaplaning? With the weather surprising us now and again, some tyres may not be suitable for general road use?I went for an 8" width on the front and 8.5" on the rear. The offset on the front works out to be correct after allowing for the reduction in rim width. The rear offset moves the face of the wheel 3mm further out. The wheels are fitted with toyo R888 tyres, 225/40/18 front and 255/35/18 rear. These tyres wear a much squarer shoulder profile than many other types, and I did experience some slight rubbing in the rear arches initially. The ride height has now been raised a little and has cured the problem.
I did look at trying to fit the 9.5" width to the rear but rejected the idea as the offset would have been way off.
The wheels are a fair bit lighter than the spiders, particularly at the front because of reducing the width by .5" and this can definitely be felt through the steering, which feels less stodgy and more eager.
I would agree with many others that the spiders still look fantastic and suit the car perfectly, but they are both heavy and relatively soft. There must be a fair market out there for anyone able to produce a strong light weight spider copy.
I can well understand the wish to increase rim width in order to be able to fit a wider tyre to improve grip and traction. The grip and traction we desire can be achieved in other ways though, whilst R888's won't suit everyone the improvment in grip they give over normal road tyres has to be experienced to be believed. When coupled with a well set up package of quality adjustable shocks and Steve Heath's rose jointed rollbar drop links the need to fit wider rims becomes far less compelling.
I'm afraid I don't know how long they will last, having fitted them this spring. I am not expecting them to last as well as conventional road tyres, as they are a softer compound.
I quite accept that they are probably not for everyone as the side walls are very stiff, and whilst they seem to cope well with damp road surfaces, they do not like standing water. My car is used mainly as a Sunday morning toy, so if the weather really stinks I am confined to barracks and carry out the orders of She Who Must Be Obeyed instead.
I previously ran with Goodyear F1's of the same dimensions and like many TVR owners, was quite happy with them. The R888's are in a different league to the F1's though, the grip and traction they provide in dry conditions allow you to drive the car far more determinedly and the more you push once turned into a corner the more they seem to dig for grip.
The extra grip also works for the braking. I can still remember vividly, an incident some weeks ago, rounding a bend on the A54 Leek road and meeting a tractor and trailer attempting a 3 point turn in the middle of the following straight. If I shut my eyes I can still see the look of shock, surprise and fear in the farmer's eyes, as a Tuscan in full flow bore down on him. I am firmly of the view that the R888,s were the deciding factor in saving me from a most embarassing and extremely expensive TVR/ Tractor interface.
I am intending to run the R888's just for the summer and revert to the original spiders and F1's for the winter months. Having experienced the Toyo's, it is not a prospect I am looking forward to.
I quite accept that they are probably not for everyone as the side walls are very stiff, and whilst they seem to cope well with damp road surfaces, they do not like standing water. My car is used mainly as a Sunday morning toy, so if the weather really stinks I am confined to barracks and carry out the orders of She Who Must Be Obeyed instead.
I previously ran with Goodyear F1's of the same dimensions and like many TVR owners, was quite happy with them. The R888's are in a different league to the F1's though, the grip and traction they provide in dry conditions allow you to drive the car far more determinedly and the more you push once turned into a corner the more they seem to dig for grip.
The extra grip also works for the braking. I can still remember vividly, an incident some weeks ago, rounding a bend on the A54 Leek road and meeting a tractor and trailer attempting a 3 point turn in the middle of the following straight. If I shut my eyes I can still see the look of shock, surprise and fear in the farmer's eyes, as a Tuscan in full flow bore down on him. I am firmly of the view that the R888,s were the deciding factor in saving me from a most embarassing and extremely expensive TVR/ Tractor interface.
I am intending to run the R888's just for the summer and revert to the original spiders and F1's for the winter months. Having experienced the Toyo's, it is not a prospect I am looking forward to.
hi Arjenmens,
My computer skills are virtually non existant, I'm afraid I wouldn't have a clue how to post photo's.
There are lots of pictures of the car taken at The Battle Of The Sixes event at Lowton Hillclimb earlier on this year. If you do a search for Battle Of the Sixes you'll find the thread under General Gossip. Click the links on the later pages of the thread and you'll find loads of pic's of fantastic looking TVR's, and some mine as well.
My computer skills are virtually non existant, I'm afraid I wouldn't have a clue how to post photo's.
There are lots of pictures of the car taken at The Battle Of The Sixes event at Lowton Hillclimb earlier on this year. If you do a search for Battle Of the Sixes you'll find the thread under General Gossip. Click the links on the later pages of the thread and you'll find loads of pic's of fantastic looking TVR's, and some mine as well.
Found the car as you said Graham.
My thoughts went out for offset 35 18*8 for the front and offset 35 18*9,5 for the rear. They have 18*8,5 but the offset is 25,30 or 48. There are specialist around who say they can adjust offsets on wheels. I am just a little bit freightened about that idea with a car like the cerbera.
My thoughts went out for offset 35 18*8 for the front and offset 35 18*9,5 for the rear. They have 18*8,5 but the offset is 25,30 or 48. There are specialist around who say they can adjust offsets on wheels. I am just a little bit freightened about that idea with a car like the cerbera.
Hi Arjenmens
I would share your concerns at attempting to modify the offset on replacement alloys.
The sizes I chose were as follows,
8 X 18 offset 35 front (this offset mirrors the original offset of 42 when then .5" reduction of wheel width is taken into account)
8.5 X 18 offset 30 ( this offset has the effect of moving the wheel 3mm further out when compared to the standard 33mm )
At the time I purchased, about May the 8.5" s were available in either 30 or 35 offsets giving a choice as to whether to position the wheel slightly in or out from the standard 33. I chose the 30 on the basis that it increased the track, which must be better than reducing it.
In reality though the differences of 2 or 3mm either way don't make a significant difference, and either would have fitted comfortably without fouling the bodywork. I had to raise the ride height on my car purely because of the squarer section profile of the R888 rubber. Having said this my car's ride height had been set a fair bit lower than many others I have seen.
I looked at the 9.5 rims but rejected them as while the rim width might just fit under the arches, the offsets available meant the front edge of the wheel would have protruded from the side of the car to an unacceptable degree.
Reducing the front width has the dual benefits of improving the steering feel and unsprung weight because they are lighter than the 8.5 rim. Also the narrower width does not stretch the tyre on the rim to the same degree which reduces the shoulder wear that many complain of when 225/235 section tyres are fitted to the standard rim.
I would share your concerns at attempting to modify the offset on replacement alloys.
The sizes I chose were as follows,
8 X 18 offset 35 front (this offset mirrors the original offset of 42 when then .5" reduction of wheel width is taken into account)
8.5 X 18 offset 30 ( this offset has the effect of moving the wheel 3mm further out when compared to the standard 33mm )
At the time I purchased, about May the 8.5" s were available in either 30 or 35 offsets giving a choice as to whether to position the wheel slightly in or out from the standard 33. I chose the 30 on the basis that it increased the track, which must be better than reducing it.
In reality though the differences of 2 or 3mm either way don't make a significant difference, and either would have fitted comfortably without fouling the bodywork. I had to raise the ride height on my car purely because of the squarer section profile of the R888 rubber. Having said this my car's ride height had been set a fair bit lower than many others I have seen.
I looked at the 9.5 rims but rejected them as while the rim width might just fit under the arches, the offsets available meant the front edge of the wheel would have protruded from the side of the car to an unacceptable degree.
Reducing the front width has the dual benefits of improving the steering feel and unsprung weight because they are lighter than the 8.5 rim. Also the narrower width does not stretch the tyre on the rim to the same degree which reduces the shoulder wear that many complain of when 225/235 section tyres are fitted to the standard rim.
Hi Graham,
Are you sure that they are available (18*8,5) in offset 35? In that case I will surely be tempted to fit them on the front with 235's. I am going to take the gamble with 18*9,5 fot the rear. I am almost sure it will hit the arches occasionally. Most people are happy though and it should not be that difficult to modify the arches slightly on the inside.
I like your choice though as for the rimwidths and offset. I am going to have a look at your car again. Reason for choosing the wider ones would also be "the looks". Picture of the 9,5J on the Rota website is awesome.
Are you sure that they are available (18*8,5) in offset 35? In that case I will surely be tempted to fit them on the front with 235's. I am going to take the gamble with 18*9,5 fot the rear. I am almost sure it will hit the arches occasionally. Most people are happy though and it should not be that difficult to modify the arches slightly on the inside.
I like your choice though as for the rimwidths and offset. I am going to have a look at your car again. Reason for choosing the wider ones would also be "the looks". Picture of the 9,5J on the Rota website is awesome.
Hi Graham,
Are you sure that they are available (18*8,5) in offset 35? In that case I will surely be tempted to fit them on the front with 235's. I am going to take the gamble with 18*9,5 fot the rear. I am almost sure it will hit the arches occasionally. Most people are happy though and it should not be that difficult to modify the arches slightly on the inside.
I like your choice though as for the rimwidths and offset. I am going to have a look at your car again. Reason for choosing the wider ones would also be "the looks". Picture of the 9,5J on the Rota website is awesome.
Are you sure that they are available (18*8,5) in offset 35? In that case I will surely be tempted to fit them on the front with 235's. I am going to take the gamble with 18*9,5 fot the rear. I am almost sure it will hit the arches occasionally. Most people are happy though and it should not be that difficult to modify the arches slightly on the inside.
I like your choice though as for the rimwidths and offset. I am going to have a look at your car again. Reason for choosing the wider ones would also be "the looks". Picture of the 9,5J on the Rota website is awesome.
Hi Arjenmens
Back in May when I bought the wheels, I was definitely given the option of 35 offset on the 8.5" rim. I looked at the possibility of using this spec together with a 2mm spacer which would have brought the offset to exact standard spec for the rear wheels. Unfortunately rota were out of stock of the correct stud pattern in that spacer so I went with the 30 offset instead. If you were intending to use the 8.5"'s on the front you would need an offset of around 40 to replicate the 42 of the standard wheels.
I agree with you that the wheels look great with a 9.5" width, as shown on Rota's website pic's. The offset combined with the width give them a deep dished look which is not as pronounced on the narrower rims, however I think you may struggle with the offsets with which they are currently supplied.
If you draw a horizontal line the width of your intended rim and then bisect it exactly in the middle, then from this point measure in millimeters the potential offsets it will give you an understanding of how the wheel position alters relative to the hub face. I did this execise for each wheel size and offset and came to the conclusion that even though the 9.5" rim may fit in the arches without fouling it was likely to protrude from the body of the car because of the offsets.
Hope this may have been of some help
Back in May when I bought the wheels, I was definitely given the option of 35 offset on the 8.5" rim. I looked at the possibility of using this spec together with a 2mm spacer which would have brought the offset to exact standard spec for the rear wheels. Unfortunately rota were out of stock of the correct stud pattern in that spacer so I went with the 30 offset instead. If you were intending to use the 8.5"'s on the front you would need an offset of around 40 to replicate the 42 of the standard wheels.
I agree with you that the wheels look great with a 9.5" width, as shown on Rota's website pic's. The offset combined with the width give them a deep dished look which is not as pronounced on the narrower rims, however I think you may struggle with the offsets with which they are currently supplied.
If you draw a horizontal line the width of your intended rim and then bisect it exactly in the middle, then from this point measure in millimeters the potential offsets it will give you an understanding of how the wheel position alters relative to the hub face. I did this execise for each wheel size and offset and came to the conclusion that even though the 9.5" rim may fit in the arches without fouling it was likely to protrude from the body of the car because of the offsets.
Hope this may have been of some help
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