Autocar on FT.A bit dissapointing

[BLUETHUNDER]

Just got the copy covering FT.To be honest a bit dissapointing on the TVR front.Although Chris Harris mentions the ideas behind FT,there is no mention of how any individual TVR stacked up against the rest,let alone a Cerbera.On the pic front,the article is filled with the Lambo that Harris brought along and only a glimpse of a Cerbera against a Cobra,and the front of a Griff and T350.It could have been a lot better.

Edited by BLUETHUNDER on Wednesday 22 August 08:14

[Cyclone1]

BLUETHUNDER said:

Just got the copy covering FT.To be honest a bit dissapointing on the TVR front.Although Chris Harris mentions the ideas behind FT,there is no mention of how any individual TVR stacked up against the rest,let alone a Cerbera.On the pic front,the article is filled with the Lambo that Harris brought along and only a glimpse of a Cerbera against a Cobra,and the front of a Griff and Sagaris.It could have been a lot better.

I have to agree but it's still pretty good coverage for a virgin event, but on a positive note the final paragraph about the potential for next year was encouraging. If there is an FT2 then I think that Autocar may have a greater involvement.

Jules.

[amazon]

Cyclone1 said:

BLUETHUNDER said:

Just got the copy covering FT.To be honest a bit dissapointing on the TVR front.Although Chris Harris mentions the ideas behind FT,there is no mention of how any individual TVR stacked up against the rest,let alone a Cerbera.On the pic front,the article is filled with the Lambo that Harris brought along and only a glimpse of a Cerbera against a Cobra,and the front of a Griff and Sagaris.It could have been a lot better.

I have to agree but it's still pretty good coverage for a virgin event, but on a positive note the final paragraph about the potential for next year was encouraging. If there is an FT2 then I think that Autocar may have a greater involvement.

Jules.

I haven't seen the article, but after the interest generated by this event, Autocar may not be the only people who are interested.

[BCA]

Now we just need to make sure its a mile to save face against the standard Nobles...

would get further spanked by the mk2/997 GT3 though, hmm double edge sword. Ok, how then about mandatory use of nitrous for all Cerbs?

[housemaster]

BCA said:

Now we just need to make sure its a mile to save face against the standard Nobles...

would get further spanked by the mk2/997 GT3 though, hmm double edge sword. Ok, how then about mandatory use of nitrous for all Cerbs?

If you use Nitros I might use 5th gear

[BCA]

housemaster said:

BCA said:

Now we just need to make sure its a mile to save face against the standard Nobles...

would get further spanked by the mk2/997 GT3 though, hmm double edge sword. Ok, how then about mandatory use of nitrous for all Cerbs?

If you use Nitros I might use 5th gear

Ah thinking about it, you porsche boys also have lower gearing, much the same as the Nobles but with the addition of sixth. Hmm maybe it would be better over a mile...

House, stunning result for a standard 996 GT3 mk2, I expected the 997 would give a fright, but your 996 proved frighteningly quick.

[housemaster]

Cheers

Three storming starts and one less so, but the car did all the work. I just ran it up to 8200 in the first 4 gears, changed quickly, and then hung on with foot the floor in 5th. I suspect if it were a mile I would need to call on 6th but the box is so precise on the GT3 its easy to slot the gears at speed without fear of missing one.

I got off the line better than the 997 in our race, but he was gaining on me in the first 4 gears slightly, I could 'feel' him getting closer, but when we hooked 5th the gap stayed the same. Both cars over 150mph will perform roughly the same I think.

Might need to get a GT2 for next time, I think a serious powered GT2 would win a 3/4 event, even with that amazing Noble and Ultima, though if he takes it to 720bhp I'd, em, phone in sick

[longbow]

Its was great of Autocar and indeed Chris Harris to cover the event at all, especially as it was an unknown quantity. I did appreciate the comment about potential for next year, and Autocar did say they would be happy to be involved in the planning for next year, so it can only get better. It will take a few months to get our camp in order to take this event on, the trick is going to make it better for all involved without over-egging the classically simple formula we captured on the day. Needless to say I will be asking for all of your input and thoughts, but we have to accept at this stage that it won't be a TVR biased event next year, I want to try to get one or at most two models of EVERY supercar ever made along next year. I also need to look for another venue that can accomodate the magic mile. To be continued..............

Edited by longbow on Wednesday 22 August 17:27

[Adrian W]

Well done Windsor, you should be very proud of the whole thingput my name down for next year please.

[BLUETHUNDER]

longbow said:

Its was great of Autocar and indeed Chris Harris to cover the event at all, especially as it was an unknown quantity. I did appreciate the comment about potential for next year, and Autocar did say they would be happy to be involved in the planning for next year, so it can only get better. It will take a few months to get our camp in order to take this event on, the trick is going to make it better for all involved without over-egging the classically simple formula we captured on the day. Needless to say I will be asking for all of your input and thoughts, but we have to accept at this stage that it won't be a TVR biased event next year, I want to try to get one or at most two models of EVERY supercar ever made along next year. I also need to look for another venue that can accomodate the magic mile. To be continued..............

Edited by longbow on Wednesday 22 August 17:27

I appreciate in what your saying,but it seemed that your original concept of what the event was about and the concept of how the Cerb stacked up against todays cars was totally missed.I got the impression that the whole article revolved around Harris and the Lambo,and the actual event was just a side line.My only input about next year,is that the catering is handed over to you boys and the proceeds going to the benevolent fund.For a first time event,it was well organised and well planned.Look forward to next year.

[Twerlie]

Adrian W said:

Well done Windsor, you should be very proud of the whole thingput my name down for next year please.

Me too please.....

[Wilder]

BLUETHUNDER said:

longbow said:

Its was great of Autocar and indeed Chris Harris to cover the event at all, especially as it was an unknown quantity. I did appreciate the comment about potential for next year, and Autocar did say they would be happy to be involved in the planning for next year, so it can only get better. It will take a few months to get our camp in order to take this event on, the trick is going to make it better for all involved without over-egging the classically simple formula we captured on the day. Needless to say I will be asking for all of your input and thoughts, but we have to accept at this stage that it won't be a TVR biased event next year, I want to try to get one or at most two models of EVERY supercar ever made along next year. I also need to look for another venue that can accomodate the magic mile. To be continued..............

Edited by longbow on Wednesday 22 August 17:27

I appreciate in what your saying,but it seemed that your original concept of what the event was about and the concept of how the Cerb stacked up against todays cars was totally missed.I got the impression that the whole article revolved around Harris and the Lambo,and the actual event was just a side line.My only input about next year,is that the catering is handed over to you boys and the proceeds going to the benevolent fund.For a first time event,it was well organised and well planned.Look forward to next year.

The article did revolve around Chris Harris and the Lambo because as the Autocar driver/journalist, what would you have expected him to write about?
You must understand that the wider Autocar readership will indeed want an article on how he fared against the best car on the day. Had that car have been a TVR, then he would have written extensivly about it..
Personally I think Chris Harris and Autocar made a great contribution to the day and We can look forward to bigger and better event next year.

[LuckyP]

Wilder said:

BLUETHUNDER said:

longbow said:

Its was great of Autocar and indeed Chris Harris to cover the event at all, especially as it was an unknown quantity. I did appreciate the comment about potential for next year, and Autocar did say they would be happy to be involved in the planning for next year, so it can only get better. It will take a few months to get our camp in order to take this event on, the trick is going to make it better for all involved without over-egging the classically simple formula we captured on the day. Needless to say I will be asking for all of your input and thoughts, but we have to accept at this stage that it won't be a TVR biased event next year, I want to try to get one or at most two models of EVERY supercar ever made along next year. I also need to look for another venue that can accomodate the magic mile. To be continued..............

Edited by longbow on Wednesday 22 August 17:27

I appreciate in what your saying,but it seemed that your original concept of what the event was about and the concept of how the Cerb stacked up against todays cars was totally missed.I got the impression that the whole article revolved around Harris and the Lambo,and the actual event was just a side line.My only input about next year,is that the catering is handed over to you boys and the proceeds going to the benevolent fund.For a first time event,it was well organised and well planned.Look forward to next year.

The article did revolve around Chris Harris and the Lambo because as the Autocar driver/journalist, what would you have expected him to write about?
You must understand that the wider Autocar readership will indeed want an article on how he fared against the best car on the day. Had that car have been a TVR, then he would have written extensivly about it..
Personally I think Chris Harris and Autocar made a great contribution to the day and We can look forward to bigger and better event next year.

Spot on. Richer with their involvement, and anyway, I love the underground feel of these events and I'm proud and honoured to be involved at the pioneering stage. Roll on FT2.

Sign me up Mr Longbow Sir.....and I s'pose we best get Lou a car so she can beat us all in the drag as well as the track!!

Lucks

[Wilder]

Bloody hell Peter, I was so bored I checked you previous car list. Are you by chance an international arms dealer?

[BLUETHUNDER]

I agree.It was good that it was covered by Autocar,and Harris,s video blog was well presented.I was just thinking(and my thoughts only)that a bit more could have been made of how the event was created from that first post by Windsor and the amount of involvement in getting it off the ground.Not to mention that the whole idea was to see how The Cerbera stacked up to todays cars.It did make me laugh that in the last paragraph,he states that he would have liked to have seen some Ferrari,s.As if people on this forum didnt try by goading them on the Ferrari forum

[OscarT]

Well - how did the TVRs stack up?

[LuckyP]

Wilder said:

Bloody hell Peter, I was so bored I checked you previous car list. Are you by chance an international arms dealer?

Not guilty M'lud. A year in P1 (best money I've ever spent) meant that with judicious allocation of weekday and seasonal low point avantages, I could slice through their entire fleet culminating in a 3000mile Monaco trip in the Murcielago via the Stelvio Pass!

The aim, to use P1 to get me an understanding of fast cars and to select a car that would make a wise used purchase...so:

1) Bought a Maser 3200 (worst money I've ever spent )
2) Realised if you want real speed and thrills you have to DIY - Ultima!!

Soz for that, but you did ask.

Edited by LuckyP on Thursday 23 August 09:43

[minjlips]

Highest placed Cerbera was 15th, but here is the list of the best times......

1 7 adrian w Noble M400 23.49
2 16 LuckyP Ultima GTR 23.8
3 4 Yorkshire Porsche 997 Turbo 23.94
4 91 Mr Harris Lamborghini 24.03
5 6 jasonsear Nissan GTR R34 24.36
6 9 Blkrokt Porsche 996 TT 24.39
7 26 Twerlie Noble M12 24.64
8 11 Songman3 Corvette C6-ZD6 24.64
9 2 phatgixer Mercedes SL65 AMG 24.78
10 20 kenny0811 Porsche 996 Turbo 24.82
11 33 paulsearle TVR TT Griffith 500 24.92
12 8 tinker27 Mazda RX7 24.97
13 46 cbj GD427 Euro 25.26
14 37 Mr Noble Noble M12 GTO3R 25.27
15 18 Brummiewedge TVR Cerbera LS2 25.32
16 5 DMC GT-500 Evolution 25.33
17 77 A TVR TVR 25.55
18 49 Housemaster Porsche 996 GT3 MKII 25.58
19 30 henna777 Porsche 997 GT3 25.58
20 69 daddysumo Noble M12 GTO 3R 25.7
21 10 acrman Viper SRT Coupe 25.72
22 50 nelly1 TVR Tuscan 25.79
23 31 Focused TVR Cerbera 25.8
24 47 grahamn TVR Cerbera 25.83
25 44 bigblockmark TVR Tuscan S 25.84
26 27 996TurboSean Porsche 996 Turbo 25.86
27 75 Andy RX7 Mazda RX7 25.86
28 21 Flea Fiat Coupé 20v Turbo 25.89
29 55 HarryW TVR Cerbera 25.95
30 32 keithyboy TVR Cerbera 25.98
31 1 Longbow TVR Cerbera 4.2 26.02
32 58 scooper TVR T350c Red Rose 26.03
33 42 KeithW TVR Cerbera 26.19
34 68 Wilder TVR Cerbera 26.21
35 65 pocty Porsche 996 GT3 RS 26.22
36 78 cupra3 Seat Ibiza 26.28
37 54 MadMark TVR Cerbera 4.5LW 26.33
38 51 kippax TVR Tuscan 26.37
39 38 FUBAR TVR Cerbera 26.42
40 3 N GTS Dodge Viper 26.49
41 79 Seasider TVR Griffith 26.55
42 41 satman TVR Cerbera 26.57
43 19 firesafetydave Mercedes E55 26.65
44 48 Funkster Noble GTO 3R 26.72
45 60 R8NAN TVR Cerbera 26.72
46 81 Byker28i TVR Cerbera 26.78
47 64 touching cloth TVR Cerbera 26.81
48 67 Cerberowner TVR Cerbera 26.86
49 66 Luckyone TVR Cerbera 26.95
50 85 VX220T VX220 Turbo 26.98
51 83 Katman TVR Cerbera 27.07
52 63 Timmy2TARs TVR Cerbera 4.5LW 27.09
53 76 toadusmodus TVR Cerbera 4.2 27.12
54 90 JaryJ VW Golf 27.13
55 35 TvrTone TVR Cerbera 27.15
56 39 big arm TVR Cerbera 27.2
57 43 AM04ARO Vauxhall Monaro 27.21
58 86 tbdgriffith500 TVR Griffith 500 27.23
59 40 XTR2Turbo Chevrolet Corvette C6 27.28
60 80 Olly TVR Cerbera 27.29
61 25 speed six TVR Cerbera 27.39
62 45 C8 CDS TVR Cerbera 27.49
63 61 Slarty Bartfast BMW M3CSL 27.53
64 82 maahny BMW M Coupe 27.63
65 62 Cyclone1 BMW 335D M-SPORT 27.68
66 53 Ben2 TVR Tuscan 2 S 27.74
67 72 warpig1 TVR Cerbera Sp Six 27.95
68 34 BLUETHUNDER TVR Cerbera 4.2 27.96
69 29 RussellM TVR Cerbera 27.99
70 74 buzz01 TVR Cerbera 28.06
71 59 jfk1958 TVR Cerbera 28.26
72 84 wfarrell BMW Z3 M Coupe 28.27
73 24 Morgan Monaro 6.0VXR 28.3
74 56 deerhunter Audi RS4 B5 28.37
75 70 RUF123 Mercedes E55 28.4
76 71 timberman Mercedes C32 AMG 28.45
77 23 v66len Holden Capa F-320 28.5
78 36 s4woody BMW M5 E39 28.53
79 88 NO.53 TVR Griffith 28.71
80 17 allblack Audi RS Avant 28.82
81 52 A GTS MG Xpower SV 29.05
82 87 Fatdad Hyundai 30.23
83 57 C3BER TVR Cerbera 4.5 RR 30.33
84 92 Andy Howarth Subaru 30.75
85 22 caretaker Audi RS4 30.93
86 73 Hollowpockets TVR T350 31.06
87 15 Michael Swift Subaru 31.09
88 89 toptotz Seat leon cupra r 31.31
89 28 Alex Harris BMW 330 31.94
90 14 Army Chap Peugeot 32.81

[amazon]

Erm, I don't think this can be the right list. For starters, Nickccc is not on it at all and C3BER couldn't make it on the day.

minjlips said:

Highest placed Cerbera was 15th, but here is the list of the best times......

1 7 adrian w Noble M400 23.49
2 16 LuckyP Ultima GTR 23.8
3 4 Yorkshire Porsche 997 Turbo 23.94
4 91 Mr Harris Lamborghini 24.03
5 6 jasonsear Nissan GTR R34 24.36
6 9 Blkrokt Porsche 996 TT 24.39
7 26 Twerlie Noble M12 24.64
8 11 Songman3 Corvette C6-ZD6 24.64
9 2 phatgixer Mercedes SL65 AMG 24.78
10 20 kenny0811 Porsche 996 Turbo 24.82
11 33 paulsearle TVR TT Griffith 500 24.92
12 8 tinker27 Mazda RX7 24.97
13 46 cbj GD427 Euro 25.26
14 37 Mr Noble Noble M12 GTO3R 25.27
15 18 Brummiewedge TVR Cerbera LS2 25.32
16 5 DMC GT-500 Evolution 25.33
17 77 A TVR TVR 25.55
18 49 Housemaster Porsche 996 GT3 MKII 25.58
19 30 henna777 Porsche 997 GT3 25.58
20 69 daddysumo Noble M12 GTO 3R 25.7
21 10 acrman Viper SRT Coupe 25.72
22 50 nelly1 TVR Tuscan 25.79
23 31 Focused TVR Cerbera 25.8
24 47 grahamn TVR Cerbera 25.83
25 44 bigblockmark TVR Tuscan S 25.84
26 27 996TurboSean Porsche 996 Turbo 25.86
27 75 Andy RX7 Mazda RX7 25.86
28 21 Flea Fiat Coupé 20v Turbo 25.89
29 55 HarryW TVR Cerbera 25.95
30 32 keithyboy TVR Cerbera 25.98
31 1 Longbow TVR Cerbera 4.2 26.02
32 58 scooper TVR T350c Red Rose 26.03
33 42 KeithW TVR Cerbera 26.19
34 68 Wilder TVR Cerbera 26.21
35 65 pocty Porsche 996 GT3 RS 26.22
36 78 cupra3 Seat Ibiza 26.28
37 54 MadMark TVR Cerbera 4.5LW 26.33
38 51 kippax TVR Tuscan 26.37
39 38 FUBAR TVR Cerbera 26.42
40 3 N GTS Dodge Viper 26.49
41 79 Seasider TVR Griffith 26.55
42 41 satman TVR Cerbera 26.57
43 19 firesafetydave Mercedes E55 26.65
44 48 Funkster Noble GTO 3R 26.72
45 60 R8NAN TVR Cerbera 26.72
46 81 Byker28i TVR Cerbera 26.78
47 64 touching cloth TVR Cerbera 26.81
48 67 Cerberowner TVR Cerbera 26.86
49 66 Luckyone TVR Cerbera 26.95
50 85 VX220T VX220 Turbo 26.98
51 83 Katman TVR Cerbera 27.07
52 63 Timmy2TARs TVR Cerbera 4.5LW 27.09
53 76 toadusmodus TVR Cerbera 4.2 27.12
54 90 JaryJ VW Golf 27.13
55 35 TvrTone TVR Cerbera 27.15
56 39 big arm TVR Cerbera 27.2
57 43 AM04ARO Vauxhall Monaro 27.21
58 86 tbdgriffith500 TVR Griffith 500 27.23
59 40 XTR2Turbo Chevrolet Corvette C6 27.28
60 80 Olly TVR Cerbera 27.29
61 25 speed six TVR Cerbera 27.39
62 45 C8 CDS TVR Cerbera 27.49
63 61 Slarty Bartfast BMW M3CSL 27.53
64 82 maahny BMW M Coupe 27.63
65 62 Cyclone1 BMW 335D M-SPORT 27.68
66 53 Ben2 TVR Tuscan 2 S 27.74
67 72 warpig1 TVR Cerbera Sp Six 27.95
68 34 BLUETHUNDER TVR Cerbera 4.2 27.96
69 29 RussellM TVR Cerbera 27.99
70 74 buzz01 TVR Cerbera 28.06
71 59 jfk1958 TVR Cerbera 28.26
72 84 wfarrell BMW Z3 M Coupe 28.27
73 24 Morgan Monaro 6.0VXR 28.3
74 56 deerhunter Audi RS4 B5 28.37
75 70 RUF123 Mercedes E55 28.4
76 71 timberman Mercedes C32 AMG 28.45
77 23 v66len Holden Capa F-320 28.5
78 36 s4woody BMW M5 E39 28.53
79 88 NO.53 TVR Griffith 28.71
80 17 allblack Audi RS Avant 28.82
81 52 A GTS MG Xpower SV 29.05
82 87 Fatdad Hyundai 30.23
83 57 C3BER TVR Cerbera 4.5 RR 30.33
84 92 Andy Howarth Subaru 30.75
85 22 caretaker Audi RS4 30.93
86 73 Hollowpockets TVR T350 31.06
87 15 Michael Swift Subaru 31.09
88 89 toptotz Seat leon cupra r 31.31
89 28 Alex Harris BMW 330 31.94
90 14 Army Chap Peugeot 32.81

[Steve_T]

He's number 17 - A TVR.