De Cat?
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Ed FM

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302 posts

229 months

Monday 12th November 2007
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Hi,
I have a 98 4.2 and it has a standard exhaust system on, i'm not really looking to replace the whole system at the moment as it's in good condition and i've spent plenty in the last month on tyres, service etc. I was wondering if it's worth removing the cats or does doing this require remap etc for little gain.
Basically am I better waiting until I feel like changing the lot? Any advice appreciated.

Cheers Ed.

Gazzab

21,654 posts

312 months

Monday 12th November 2007
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Just de-cat. Simple, just do it !!!

southendpier

6,208 posts

259 months

Monday 12th November 2007
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i've got linked decat sport pipes on a 4.2 96. Good sound but very loud, and not fitted very well. Thre 'braaaaks and bangs are good fun though.

Stick with what you have imho. Apparently changing the exhaust is the quickest way to a power decrease, and you also will struggle getting your car on a track - or so i have understood from this forum.

morebeanz

3,283 posts

266 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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I think the reckoning is that 4.2s are best left as is, since they work very well out of the box.

That won't stop it sounding great with a de-cat though...biggrin

Ed FM

Original Poster:

302 posts

229 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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So if I do go for the decat how much power could be lost, or would it not be noticable. Also without the cat when you say there will be more noise does that mean more pops and bangs etc without being too loud on long runs. or will it be generally louder over all. It's pretty loud already but I could definitely live with more pops and bangs smile

Cheers Ed

BCA

8,651 posts

287 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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Not sure in a 4.2, but im convinced that the more modded 4.5's would lose power keeping the cats...

morebeanz

3,283 posts

266 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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Couldn't quote on power loss, but the de-cat cars tend to pop and bang more, and also are noisier under load - much racier noise when pushing on etc.

Mine's de-cat and I love it!

Ed FM

Original Poster:

302 posts

229 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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Just done a search on it and from what I can gather linked decat pipes seem to be recommended. I don't have a clue what the difference is between those and any other though confused

I think this is the type that will give more pops and bangs but not too loud on long runs at steady throttle. If so thats for me. Only questions now are where from, Are they easy to fit and how much?

Ed

BCA

8,651 posts

287 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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Trackcar sells them, IIRC a tiny bhp increase (not noticeable I dont think, but atleast it doesnt harm power) - they're quieter than standard de-cats until given some proper throttle... smile

AlVal

1,891 posts

294 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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Might be placebo but im sure its reduced the cabin temperature by not having hot cats jammed right underneath you, very happy with my linked trackcarsolutions decat pipes, went for linked as they were meant to be slightly better on the power front and slightly quieter, dropping the revs from 2500/3000 revs easily puts the popping and banging into fierce effect, the quicker you can reduce the revs (i.e. the lower the gear) the more violent the audio onslaught/drive by shooting becomes. Mines the linked decats with sports exhaust (not sure which manufacturer for the back box, dont think there are that many manufacturers to choose from), and when cruising, shes tame, but really roars with more gas/higher revs.

ridds

8,372 posts

274 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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I'd remove mine purely from a safety point of view.

900°C sat only cm away from a fibreglass body...... no thanks.

Add 2-300°C to that temp if you have a fuelling fault that causes lean running too.

Ed FM

Original Poster:

302 posts

229 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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Cheers for all that, the last point definitely my favorite. I need to get these things changed as soon as possible for my own safety if nothing elsehehe
Ed

gibson007

40 posts

236 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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i have decatted mine recently and can recommend it. cabin is definately cooler and she does pop and bang on demand. wink

cerbymad

40 posts

231 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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I have a linked De-cat from trackcar and the standard backbox on my 4.5 and have just put the cats back in for mot, i cant wait to get them back out again. IMO its a miles better car without the cats

brogenville

941 posts

231 months

Tuesday 13th November 2007
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In terms of power output, I was always told that a linked exhaust system is beneficial for cross-plane v8's due to the interaction of exhaust gases, but that this isn't something that should be done to flat plane v8's, or at least there isn't anything to be gained from it compared with individual decats on the bhp front.

Quoting Wiki:

"While the firing of the cross-plane V8 is regular overall, the firing of each bank is LRLLRLRR; this leads to the need to connect exhaust pipes between the two banks to design an optimal exhaust system. This complex and encumbering exhaust system has been a major problem for single-seater racing car designers."

morebeanz

3,283 posts

266 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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brogenville said:
In terms of power output, I was always told that a linked exhaust system is beneficial for cross-plane v8's due to the interaction of exhaust gases, but that this isn't something that should be done to flat plane v8's, or at least there isn't anything to be gained from it compared with individual decats on the bhp front.

Quoting Wiki:

"While the firing of the cross-plane V8 is regular overall, the firing of each bank is LRLLRLRR; this leads to the need to connect exhaust pipes between the two banks to design an optimal exhaust system. This complex and encumbering exhaust system has been a major problem for single-seater racing car designers."
This is one of the problems with engine design - what the theory SAYS should happen, and what actually works, can be different. I know Trackcar has done plenty of exploring with the cars to reach the decision to supply linked de-cat pipes.

dinkel

27,793 posts

288 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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gibson007 said:
I have decatted mine recently and can recommend it. Cabin is definately cooler and she does pop and bang on demand. wink
It's all about the spade in the kettle right evil

Racing cars won't pop 'n bang that easily. They BigBang on shift though!

How about that on a Cerbera lick