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thegreengoblet said:
alinton said:
Au contraire - When I decatted my previous Cerb, even without a remap the power increase was very noticeable.
Same here - although I'd replace "very noticeable" with "unbelievable difference" in my case.
Peasantplucker said:
thegreengoblet said:
alinton said:
Au contraire - When I decatted my previous Cerb, even without a remap the power increase was very noticeable.
Same here - although I'd replace "very noticeable" with "unbelievable difference" in my case.
I've known of a blocked cats causing a car to be over 100bhp down in the past (now decatted, mapped and a healthy 391bhp I believe...)
I reckon they are a restriction on the more tuned cars out there, ours certainly makes very average power considering the mods its had done - I think if it was decatted it'd be alot more powerful, especially with a better exhaust. We'll have to wait and see about that though, other areas of the car need development first before we chase more power.

BCA said:
Peasantplucker said:
thegreengoblet said:
alinton said:
Au contraire - When I decatted my previous Cerb, even without a remap the power increase was very noticeable.
Same here - although I'd replace "very noticeable" with "unbelievable difference" in my case.
I've known of a blocked cats causing a car to be over 100bhp down in the past (now decatted, mapped and a healthy 391bhp I believe...)
I reckon they are a restriction on the more tuned cars out there, ours certainly makes very average power considering the mods its had done - I think if it was decatted it'd be alot more powerful, especially with a better exhaust. We'll have to wait and see about that though, other areas of the car need development first before we chase more power.

My Cats had been rattling around for quite some time and upon removal one was indeed blocked. She always felt quick even with the knocking cats. She was just a bit hesitant high up in the revs when you dumped your right foot. But I guess I wouldn't really of noticed the gradual decline in performance. Having said that, she's now an animal. Defo increase in power over the old performance before the cats ever began to knock. A lot more aggressive and twitchy too with wide throttle movements. She was always progressive with the power delivery albeit a little lumpy down in the revs. Now it's just full on and the noise increase adds to the drama!
However she maybe a little too loud now - I have sports pipes. Reckon I'll upgrade to an SP rear box next year, along with a remap and maybe, maybe a short induction kit (I'm still not totally convinced that the induction is worth the cost. I reckon she'd be well up in the 300's just with a remap).
BCA said:
Peasantplucker said:
thegreengoblet said:
alinton said:
Au contraire - When I decatted my previous Cerb, even without a remap the power increase was very noticeable.
Same here - although I'd replace "very noticeable" with "unbelievable difference" in my case.
I've known of a blocked cats causing a car to be over 100bhp down in the past (now decatted, mapped and a healthy 391bhp I believe...)
I reckon they are a restriction on the more tuned cars out there, ours certainly makes very average power considering the mods its had done - I think if it was decatted it'd be alot more powerful, especially with a better exhaust. We'll have to wait and see about that though, other areas of the car need development first before we chase more power.

My 4.5 went on rollers with cats fitted and made 366bhp. My cats stay locked away in a box now
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!! I also refer back to the OP who makes no reference to his car being remapped, so there 
Peasantplucker said:
Obviously if there's a serious blockage in the cats then that will stifle the engine
My 4.5 went on rollers with cats fitted and made 366bhp. My cats stay locked away in a box now
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!! I also refer back to the OP who makes no reference to his car being remapped, so there 
So 366bhp... is that from a standard untouched car i.e. never mapped, standard induction, standard exhaust?
My 4.5 went on rollers with cats fitted and made 366bhp. My cats stay locked away in a box now
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!! I also refer back to the OP who makes no reference to his car being remapped, so there 
thegreengoblet said:
Peasantplucker said:
Obviously if there's a serious blockage in the cats then that will stifle the engine
My 4.5 went on rollers with cats fitted and made 366bhp. My cats stay locked away in a box now
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!! I also refer back to the OP who makes no reference to his car being remapped, so there 
So 366bhp... is that from a standard untouched car i.e. never mapped, standard induction, standard exhaust?
My 4.5 went on rollers with cats fitted and made 366bhp. My cats stay locked away in a box now
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!! I also refer back to the OP who makes no reference to his car being remapped, so there 
Peasantplucker said:
My 4.5 went on rollers with cats fitted and made 366bhp. My cats stay locked away in a box now
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!!
You're probably right - but I dont reckon you'd be anywhere near the end figure once trackcar is done if you left your cats in - thier limit of flow must be around 380bhp I reckon... Just like the standard intakes limit appears to be (when decatted) around 390bhp. If you see what I mean?
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!! BCA said:
Peasantplucker said:
My 4.5 went on rollers with cats fitted and made 366bhp. My cats stay locked away in a box now
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!!
You're probably right - but I dont reckon you'd be anywhere near the end figure once trackcar is done if you left your cats in - thier limit of flow must be around 380bhp I reckon... Just like the standard intakes limit appears to be (when decatted) around 390bhp. If you see what I mean?
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!! trackcar said:
BCA said:
Peasantplucker said:
My 4.5 went on rollers with cats fitted and made 366bhp. My cats stay locked away in a box now
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!!
You're probably right - but I dont reckon you'd be anywhere near the end figure once trackcar is done if you left your cats in - thier limit of flow must be around 380bhp I reckon... Just like the standard intakes limit appears to be (when decatted) around 390bhp. If you see what I mean?
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!! 
[quote=trackcarIf it makes 366 on my dyno pre map it's one of the very best .. most are 30hp shy of that as std ..
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So how much variation is there between different dyno's and runs on the same dyno? Obviously a before and after on the same dyno is a reasonably accurate measure of the difference gained or lost, or can even this be manipulated?
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So how much variation is there between different dyno's and runs on the same dyno? Obviously a before and after on the same dyno is a reasonably accurate measure of the difference gained or lost, or can even this be manipulated?
Peasantplucker said:
trackcar said:
BCA said:
Peasantplucker said:
My 4.5 went on rollers with cats fitted and made 366bhp. My cats stay locked away in a box now
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!!
You're probably right - but I dont reckon you'd be anywhere near the end figure once trackcar is done if you left your cats in - thier limit of flow must be around 380bhp I reckon... Just like the standard intakes limit appears to be (when decatted) around 390bhp. If you see what I mean?
and i'm hopefully booked into TCS sometime next month for a remap, but i'll bet a pound to a penny my engine will be within 10bhp of that pre-remap!! 

As I said before though, we're going to have to throw money at the car in other areas first before we chase more power and as we've proven post-Trackcar fettling, this absolute monster can still scare the hell out of the latest and greatest supercars out there.

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