Sacrilege - Auto Cerbera
Discussion
This is my first ever post, so please be kind.
I have been a long time admirer of the cerbera. I remember sitting in one in the showroom when they first came out thinking wow, compared to the other cars (ferrari's) the cerbera was the one for me.
Anyway...would it be possible to fit an auto or SMG style transmission into a cerbera.
If it would how much do you estimate it costing?
ps I know how vigorous most TVR owners will be against this.
I have been a long time admirer of the cerbera. I remember sitting in one in the showroom when they first came out thinking wow, compared to the other cars (ferrari's) the cerbera was the one for me.
Anyway...would it be possible to fit an auto or SMG style transmission into a cerbera.
If it would how much do you estimate it costing?
ps I know how vigorous most TVR owners will be against this.
Anything is possible on any car, on the Cerb space could be an issue - you'd need to find room for a suitable auto box and Torque convertor to bolt to the existing engine, get a bespoke ECU/Mapping. Or go for a complete Engine and Auto Box transpalnt.
But Why?? If you've only got one leg, and just love Cerbs, then credit to you for trying, and we'll all try and help out - but otherwise I can't see the point.
Mind you I am intrigued, so tell us why
But Why?? If you've only got one leg, and just love Cerbs, then credit to you for trying, and we'll all try and help out - but otherwise I can't see the point.
Mind you I am intrigued, so tell us why
Please note i want a cerbera because of the aesthetics and not the performance. I know the performance is one of the main reasons people want one, but the looks are why (I think) people buy them.
Why an auto:
Only have an auto liscense, and have reached the age when it is probably detremental to my driving to learn with a clutch.
I live in central london (lots of stop start), and commute to aberdeen (lots of cruising with no gear changes).
I do not race.
SMG boxes still allow you to select gears without the clutch.
I am always pestered by a motoring journalist friend regarding my "auto liscense", and am perfectly aware that I am not driving "properly". He ridiculed my test driving a triptonic 997 C4, because it was a waste.
Why an auto:
Only have an auto liscense, and have reached the age when it is probably detremental to my driving to learn with a clutch.
I live in central london (lots of stop start), and commute to aberdeen (lots of cruising with no gear changes).
I do not race.
SMG boxes still allow you to select gears without the clutch.
I am always pestered by a motoring journalist friend regarding my "auto liscense", and am perfectly aware that I am not driving "properly". He ridiculed my test driving a triptonic 997 C4, because it was a waste.
I have wondered about this before; I like auto boxes, they can work well in performance cars, I used to have a Honda Prelude 2.2 VTEC auto (the 4th gen one), and it was awesome. Probably the best high-volume sports car I've driven.
The Cerbera's gearbox is a Borg-Warner T5, as used (apart from linkage differences) in the Ford Sierra. The Sierra was available in auto (I had one) so there must be an auto box available from BW that replaces the T5.
As far as I recall, the Sierra's auto box wasn't electronic, I think it just had a vacuum connection to the engine.
You'd have to do some prop shaft/diff engineering I guess, and sort out a remote select, but - its only a guess - I think it could be done.
As Jensena said, anything can be done, its just a matter of how much it would cost and whether its really desirable. Personally I wouldn't want it in the Cerbera, but if you desire it and can afford it, especially as you're not worried about the performance compromise, why not?
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The Cerbera's gearbox is a Borg-Warner T5, as used (apart from linkage differences) in the Ford Sierra. The Sierra was available in auto (I had one) so there must be an auto box available from BW that replaces the T5.
As far as I recall, the Sierra's auto box wasn't electronic, I think it just had a vacuum connection to the engine.
You'd have to do some prop shaft/diff engineering I guess, and sort out a remote select, but - its only a guess - I think it could be done.
As Jensena said, anything can be done, its just a matter of how much it would cost and whether its really desirable. Personally I wouldn't want it in the Cerbera, but if you desire it and can afford it, especially as you're not worried about the performance compromise, why not?
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Edited by alinton on Monday 17th March 21:18
PH'er BossCerbera has a stake in the company Zeroshift which supposedly offers a sequential transmission akin to SMG. As Phil (besscerbera) owns a cerb 4.5, I gather that all of the original prototyping was done on this car. In the zeroshift transmission, the internals of the original t5 box are replaced with the zeroshift ones, so as I understand it, you actually reatin the original 'box casing and bellhousing.
Have a google to find out more, of maybe BossCerbera himself will chime in?
Have a google to find out more, of maybe BossCerbera himself will chime in?
Thanks for the advice.
I have had a look at zeroshift's website, and they do produce results for a 4.2 Cerbera.
I have fired off an email, my fingers are crossed.
M3 CSL SMG transplant would certainly have the performance, possibly even outperform a stock Cerbera, but imagine the cost!
I have had a look at zeroshift's website, and they do produce results for a 4.2 Cerbera.
I have fired off an email, my fingers are crossed.
M3 CSL SMG transplant would certainly have the performance, possibly even outperform a stock Cerbera, but imagine the cost!
Thanks for the advice.
I have had a look at zeroshift's website, and they do produce results for a 4.2 Cerbera.
I have fired off an email, my fingers are crossed.
M3 CSL SMG transplant would certainly have the performance, possibly even outperform a stock Cerbera, but imagine the cost!
I have had a look at zeroshift's website, and they do produce results for a 4.2 Cerbera.
I have fired off an email, my fingers are crossed.
M3 CSL SMG transplant would certainly have the performance, possibly even outperform a stock Cerbera, but imagine the cost!
I can see where your coming from (as they say) So if your requirements are the looks, and not the performance, coupled with the fact that you live in Central London with lots of stop start traffic, and a regular commute to Aberdeen (you dont want much do you!) then I'd consider looking for a Cerb with a f****d engine, and if mpg is important put something sensible in like a BMW or Audi 6cyl Diesel with an Auto box, not sure how the tricky the ECU side of things would be though. I know someone who could do it for you.
) So if your requirements are the looks, and not the performance, coupled with the fact that you live in Central London with lots of stop start traffic, and a regular commute to Aberdeen (you dont want much do you!) then I'd consider looking for a Cerb with a f****d engine, and if mpg is important put something sensible in like a BMW or Audi 6cyl Diesel with an Auto box, not sure how the tricky the ECU side of things would be though. I know someone who could do it for you.
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