Nitrous Oxide
Nitrous Oxide
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Gwyntvr

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8 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th August 2008
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Has anyone ever NOS'ed, N2O, a TVR Cerbera 4.2 before and if so did you have any problems? I'm off to France on Monday but will endevour to reply to those interested parties. Thanks.

touching cloth

11,706 posts

269 months

Thursday 14th August 2008
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I've been talking about it for the last year or so but still keen to get it done, Andy@Apm will do the work and has experience of both NO2 and of course Cerbs, so am fairly confident he will see me right when I finally get around to giving him the go ahead... sticking point at the moment is insurance worries, I don't want to double my policy for something that realistically won't get used on her maj's highways anyway.

Edited by touching cloth on Thursday 14th August 14:59

trackcar

6,453 posts

256 months

Thursday 14th August 2008
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Andy would be a very good person to chat to about NO2.

On teh insurance issue, surly if no bottle is plumbed in in the car on the highway it can't be an insurance issue? You could carry the bottle separate to the installation point say if going to santa pod .. ie if the take-off point is in the passenger footwell carry the bottle in the boot and only install at the event? or something ..

there must be a way around it surely?

touching cloth

11,706 posts

269 months

Thursday 14th August 2008
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Yep Joo, that's certainly the tack I intend to take when I get of my arris and make the call. However would rather they knew about the installation and had it on file so it's all up front obviously, can't risk just claiming that after an off and once they find the plumbing - even if it was 100% the truth that no bottle was attached I suspect they would be very reluctant to pay out. My suspicion is however, that even the very mention of the word, be it for on or offroad use will send them into spasm an cause them to wind the ripoffometer round another couple of notches biggrin In fact might give the buggers a call now as it's been on my to do list for months hehe

Gwyntvr

Original Poster:

8 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th August 2008
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Thanks guys. Will give APM a ring later. There is no law against using NOS on the public highway but I see your point about insurance. Might need to give them a ring before getting it installed.

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Thursday 14th August 2008
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touching cloth said:
My suspicion is however, that even the very mention of the word, be it for on or offroad use will send them into spasm an cause them to wind the ripoffometer round another couple of notches biggrin In fact might give the buggers a call now as it's been on my to do list for months hehe
More likely they might just say :

NO

gattor

180 posts

236 months

Thursday 14th August 2008
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touching cloth

11,706 posts

269 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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rev-erend said:
touching cloth said:
My suspicion is however, that even the very mention of the word, be it for on or offroad use will send them into spasm an cause them to wind the ripoffometer round another couple of notches biggrin In fact might give the buggers a call now as it's been on my to do list for months hehe
More likely they might just say :

NO
Current insurers (Norwich Union) did just that, Adrian Flux have found another company who will provide cover but it raises my premium from just under £500 to just over £1200 and with large excesses yikes - and this still doesn't provide cover for using it, i.e. not for road use and at timed events such as Santa Pod or what have you there is no cover in place anyway.. so they are charging about £700 just for having the plumbing there. Wonder what Mannings/Haggerty would say.

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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gattor said:
Like the guy in the article says - you might just need to shop around.. and be honest.

gattor

180 posts

236 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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It might be worth PM'ing Nitrous Cerb or Ron Fellows as his handel is now, he was running a nos cerb system

Gwyntvr

Original Poster:

8 posts

241 months

Friday 15th August 2008
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Mmmm, Good article, definitely shop around. My kit has just arrived so it's going in, hopefully. Couldn't find anything from Ron Fellows on his nitrous cerb. Have you any more details please?tongue out

David Smith

716 posts

278 months

Sunday 17th August 2008
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http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/profile.asp?mem...

think this link should take you straight to him ... he created the purple monster - fantastic cerb

hope he can point you the right way ...

TT Tim

4,168 posts

277 months

Sunday 17th August 2008
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Gwyntvr said:
Mmmm, Good article, definitely shop around. My kit has just arrived so it's going in, hopefully. Couldn't find anything from Ron Fellows on his nitrous cerb. Have you any more details please?tongue out
Being a middle aged, grumpy old git...

Don't run the car without adequate insurance, it'll be the poor sod you hit who'll suffer when your insurance company refuses to pay out.

If you want to look at it another way. A £500 increase in premium is cheap if you're getting 100 bhp more!

If you can't afford the insurance then, don't fit it. As you will be driving around uninsured.

Tim

gattor

180 posts

236 months

Sunday 17th August 2008
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Bare in mind if your thinking of installing any nitrous system your going to need to make sure that your engine internals are up to the addition strain if you don't what to see the rods appear through the top of your bonnet!

That said I'd pay £500 extra in insurance for the feeling when you flip the guard and press the 'scary' button and disappear into the distance (hopefuly not entering the pearly gates backwards and in flames)!


touching cloth

11,706 posts

269 months

Sunday 17th August 2008
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Whilst I agree that adequate insurance should always be in place, I am pretty sure that insurance companies cannot deny their third party liabilities to others, regardless of what you have and have not told them, so third parties are not at financial risk themselves... what I imagine insurance companies can do is come after you later for their losses after they have paid out, which is potentially a huge risk. As for £500 being good value for another 100bhp, yes it might be if that is what you were paying for. In my case so far however, the additional premium I was looking at, did not actually increase my level of cover - usage of the No2 on the road was not allowed and places where I would be using it (i.e. timed events such as Santa Pod, Fighting Torque etc) are excluded under the usual insurance exclusions for timed events. I do not want or need cover for these events as happy to take on the risk at these and the risks of using Nitrous, but I do want a company to note on file that I have a kit fitted for off road/event use only, their risk/liability does not really increase in anyway. Essentially the £700 was buying me the right to have the plumbing fitted only, which seems a little steep.

GreenV8S

31,021 posts

314 months

Sunday 17th August 2008
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touching cloth said:
Essentially the £700 was buying me the right to have the plumbing fitted only, which seems a little steep.
Or in other words, you're saying it will not be used on the road, and they frankly don't believe you. Can't say I blame them as there's nothing to stop the unscrupulous throwing the tank into the boot if they had an accident

Guy J Russell

346 posts

218 months

Sunday 17th August 2008
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I think if you were involved in an accident and they found the plumbing but no NOS connected up there is not alot they could really say about it. Just as long as you dont use it on the road you should be ok. This is just my personal opinion and i have no proof to back this up what so ever. The other option is a trade policy. They tend not to be interested in the vehicles on a trade policy, just the (trade) value of them. However the one i looked at didnt include high performance vehicles so i ruled that one out. :-(

touching cloth

11,706 posts

269 months

Sunday 17th August 2008
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GreenV8S said:
touching cloth said:
Essentially the £700 was buying me the right to have the plumbing fitted only, which seems a little steep.
Or in other words, you're saying it will not be used on the road, and they frankly don't believe you. Can't say I blame them as there's nothing to stop the unscrupulous throwing the tank into the boot if they had an accident
I can see the thinking certainly, but if they are saying "We assume you will use it on the road and are going to load the premium as if you will anyway" then why still rule out on road use? If they said that there is no half way house, if it's fitted we assume road usage and therefore charge for it but allow it, then I could see why a large increase need be levied - the way it is, I pay more but don't get anything in return. Naturally I do understand that at the end of the day, it's an insurance companies right to cover and not cover what they want to and I have far from rung around as yet to see what can be done with other companies so may yet find one.

Guy J Russell

346 posts

218 months

Sunday 17th August 2008
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Just out of interest, how much difference will say a 100 shot of the giggle gas make performance wise? Would a standard engine cope with a 100 shot? How much could you use without rebuilding the engine to a higher spec? Anyone have any idea? Guy.

AlVal

1,891 posts

294 months

Monday 18th August 2008
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the nos is kindest to engine when its introduced progressively rather than in one sharp jolt, as you can imagine. many systems now do this progressive injection