Clutch Buried Into Carpet
Clutch Buried Into Carpet
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marcus1970

Original Poster:

1,217 posts

265 months

Saturday 29th November 2008
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Hello all,

Have noticed recently that I'm finding it harder and harder to engage gears.

There's no crunching and no graunching, and no one gear is harder to engage than any other.

They just seem to be notchy and then go in.

Had the clutch replaced 2 years ago and have always treated it with respect.

The car doesn't move forward with the clucth engaged and in gear, and the clutch fluid level is ok.

The one thing I have noticed is that if I bury the clutch right in to the carpet the gears seem to engage almost normally.

It's as if, had I another inch to puch the clutch pedal, the gears would engage as normal.

It feels as if the travel of the clutch pedal isn't quite enough to completely disengage the clutch, just enough to change gear notchily.

Any ideas?

MB

bosscerbera

8,188 posts

273 months

Saturday 29th November 2008
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Clutch fingers on the way out and/or slave cylinder seals

kevin63

4,661 posts

283 months

Saturday 29th November 2008
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Sounds like your clutch diapham fingers may have broken, but check the fluid level for the clutch first, this is easy and cheap to check, a clutch change isn't.

cerbieboy

292 posts

237 months

Saturday 29th November 2008
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fluid?

cerbieboy

292 posts

237 months

Saturday 29th November 2008
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you beat me to it


Edited by cerbieboy on Saturday 29th November 16:42

kevin63

4,661 posts

283 months

Saturday 29th November 2008
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laugh

trackcar

6,453 posts

256 months

Saturday 29th November 2008
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marcus1970 said:
the clutch fluid level is ok.

kevin63

4,661 posts

283 months

Saturday 29th November 2008
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Pity you don't do clutches now then Joo

Extra 300 Driver

5,282 posts

276 months

Saturday 29th November 2008
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Maybe you need to adjust it? I mean adjust the input rod in to the master cylinder?

I did this on mine, over time it had gone out of adjustment

baztvr

109 posts

219 months

Saturday 29th November 2008
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I would try bleeding it first, and check adjustment, it's free. we like free.

marcus1970

Original Poster:

1,217 posts

265 months

Sunday 30th November 2008
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Extra 300 Driver said:
Maybe you need to adjust it? I mean adjust the input rod in to the master cylinder?

I did this on mine, over time it had gone out of adjustment
Don't suppose you could explain in a bit more detail what I have to do.

Please...

Cheers

MB

Extra 300 Driver

5,282 posts

276 months

Sunday 30th November 2008
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marcus1970 said:
Extra 300 Driver said:
Maybe you need to adjust it? I mean adjust the input rod in to the master cylinder?

I did this on mine, over time it had gone out of adjustment
Don't suppose you could explain in a bit more detail what I have to do.

Please...

Cheers

MB
Well……

I found that my old car needed this adjusting, the bite point had gradually moved further and further down the pedal, not because there was anything wrong but it was just wearing, it had done about 30k.
So this is how I went about it.

Locate the clutch input shaft at the top of the clutch pedal

Undo the locking nut (1/2inAF or 13mm) which is on the shaft and wind it all the way back down the shaft until the end of the thread, nearest the actual cylinder

Rotate the shaft as if you want to take the shaft out, so the shaft is getting longer and the pedal is moving towards the driver’s seat. Only do about 5 revolutions at a time

Start the car and try and engage 1st, if the bitting point doesn’t seem to have moved rotate the shaft another 5 or so turns

Continue this until the bite point is further up the pedal, but not at the top. (About half way)
Once you are happy, tighten the licking nut and hay presto!

Warning about the fingers

I have always suspected that you can accelerate the failure of the clutch fingers by over adjusting the clutch, so you are throwing the release bearing too far out, putting too much stress on the fingers and causing them to fail. When I adjusted my clutch I had the bitting point just under half way up but still comfortable, without causing any graunching of the gears. Other people I know have adjusted their clutch pedal so the bite point is right at the top and their fingers have failed within 5000 miles, as I think they are over disengaging the clutch (throwing it too far) it may be unrelated but I didn’t want to take the gamble so my bite was near the bottom of the middle.


I am not guaranteeing this is the fix, but with the TVR clutch not self adjusting you have to do this now and again, it should be picked up on a service.

Let me know how you get on,


Nick

DonnyMac

3,634 posts

233 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Mine had exactly the same problem/feel just over a month ago - a couple of hoons later and I couldn't engage 1st or 5th - 2 weeks on.

I drove it down to APM late last week (gears came back but still felt very notchy).

Will report on solution when I get the dreaded phone call - fingers/forks seems initial diagnosis.

D.

copilot

243 posts

240 months

Monday 1st December 2008
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Unusual, but I had these symptoms when the bellhousing bolts became loose!

DonnyMac

3,634 posts

233 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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Just got her back.

A finger snapped off the clutch.

New clutch, slaves, lightweight flyweel etc. etc.

45k+ miles on the old original clutch which is no longer made, hence all the new bits.


marcus1970

Original Poster:

1,217 posts

265 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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DonnyMac said:
Just got her back.

A finger snapped off the clutch.

New clutch, slaves, lightweight flyweel etc. etc.

45k+ miles on the old original clutch which is no longer made, hence all the new bits.
Only 1 ?

Last had mine replaced a couple of years ago and I only had a few left - must have been a bout 15 missing!

How much did that lot set you back?

Did you get an uprated clutch?

MB

DonnyMac

3,634 posts

233 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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Yep, just the one - fell inside, hence all the mayhem.

I don't know if it's uprated, but I've now got the teflon coated (sounds good eh??) new AP Racing clutch combined with a lightweight flywheel - which apparently allows the engine to rev quicker (or something like that).

£1400+vat give or take a few quid.