Do I sell my Cooper S for a Cerbera Speed Six
Do I sell my Cooper S for a Cerbera Speed Six
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scootspanker

Original Poster:

22 posts

214 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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Hi,

I own a Mini cooper s, and I am really tempted to sell it to get a Cerbera 4.0 Speed Six.

However, I am only 21 and whilst I can afford the insurance, I'm worried about the overall running costs. Should I do it or not?

Any help would be greatly appreciated

chim500nj

394 posts

271 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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I would try and get an AJP if you can a 4.2 or a 4.5. It seems to be the common consensus that the engines in these will be far more reliable and robust than the speed six. Having said that if the car has had an engine rebuild recently with a warranty then you should be fine.

I believe that the later speed six's 2001 onwards are less liable to go pop than the early 1999 ones although this is not always the rule. Some speed six engines will do 60k while others will need a rebuild after 20k there seems to be no logic to it.

As with all Cerbera's budget 3k a year in maintenance and try and get one from a good dealer with a warranty. Fernhurst have two in at the moment and having driven both I can say they are both in good condition. They will also properly prep the car for you and give it a years warranty so you have good piece of mind.

Hope this helps.

BLUETHUNDER

7,881 posts

290 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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If you are worried about running costs,then stick with the mini.The Cerbera is a true enthusiasts car.You have to really want one and be in to them in a big way,to want to take one on.

Gazzab

21,661 posts

312 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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Can you afford £3K pa running costs (excl fuel, tax and ins)?
If yes then buy one.
If not then be very very careful.
If you really want a Cerb then go for a V8 with a great history and a great chassis that has been owned by an enthusiast.

Gazzab

21,661 posts

312 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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Also - have you ever owned a high perf rear wheel drive car?

scootspanker

Original Poster:

22 posts

214 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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£3000.00per year is not too bad. I can afford to do that.

Its jsut I've heard and read alot of things about reliability and I was just curious as to how much of it is true, and also what model to go for.

scootspanker

Original Poster:

22 posts

214 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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I had a beetle with a 2ltr turbo lump in it

Gazzab

21,661 posts

312 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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scootspanker said:
I had a beetle with a 2ltr turbo lump in it
You are starting to sound like a troll......!

BLUETHUNDER

7,881 posts

290 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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If you want to keep reliability issues at bay,then its a car that needs to be used,and not stuffed in a garage for 6 months of the year.

scootspanker

Original Poster:

22 posts

214 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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Gazzab said:
scootspanker said:
I had a beetle with a 2ltr turbo lump in it
You are starting to sound like a troll......!
Whats your problem, I come on here asking for advice and you just insult me? How many cars do you think I have owned? I'm only 21 and you have to start somewhere in terms of high performance cars.
I was originally going to buy a Corrado VR6, but i was tempted by a TVR and just came on here to get some advice.

scootspanker

Original Poster:

22 posts

214 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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BLUETHUNDER said:
If you want to keep reliability issues at bay,then its a car that needs to be used,and not stuffed in a garage for 6 months of the year.
I was planning on using it everyweek as a daily driver. I won't be commuting in it however

Gazzab

21,661 posts

312 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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scootspanker said:
Gazzab said:
scootspanker said:
I had a beetle with a 2ltr turbo lump in it
You are starting to sound like a troll......!
Whats your problem, I come on here asking for advice and you just insult me? How many cars do you think I have owned? I'm only 21 and you have to start somewhere in terms of high performance cars.
I was originally going to buy a Corrado VR6, but i was tempted by a TVR and just came on here to get some advice.
The point I am making is that it is a very high perf car and for various reasons it is worth moving up to such a car in stages. Otherwise it will try and kill you!
IMHO the acceleration perf of a Cerb is akin to freefalling from a tall building whereas the perf of your previous cars are comparatively like jumping off a dolls house.

350Matt

3,909 posts

309 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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Scott

Go for a post 98 4.2 V8 I'd say as these are the best value for money, the 4.5's can be made to make a lot more power but command a premium because of that, plus teh 4.2 still makes 350Bhp so its hardly slow.

I would say that TVR ownership of any TVR does require a certain mindset tho' you have to be aware that 99% of the time the car will get you there, however whether or not you'll be able to wind the windows down when you there to get out is another matter..

The rule of thumb is £3k a year to run one but this is if you don't do any work on it all yourself and leave it all to the dealer / indies not only that some years they won't cost anyhting like this to keep but tehn you hit with a bill for anew radiator, and new cltuch and whoops theres 7-800 quids of parts before you've fitted them.

Read/ search a lot on here as there tons of info

see here as well:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dave.hinns/software.h...

and its well worth getting along to your local club meeting most people there are more than happy to show you round the cars and possibly give rides if asked nicely

Matt

Edited by 350Matt on Tuesday 2nd December 13:39

scootspanker

Original Poster:

22 posts

214 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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Thanks Matt

itsallyellow

3,879 posts

250 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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I think the best thing to do is ask yourself the question...

Why do i want a Cerbera?

They are more of a lifestyle change than one may think.

Mike


jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

242 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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The £3k a year figure is an average really, some people can end up spending £500-£1000 in one year whilst others have spent £10k+. Bare in mind if you are able to work on these cars yourself then the costs are considerably lower!!

greenm

473 posts

230 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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I have a 22 and 26 six year old and would not let them near my Cerb, even though I recken them to be good drivers one even survived two years in a Seat cupra turbo. They have both drivin it privatly were nothing tohit and loved it but both agreed not a car for them on a daily basis. A Cerb is a different beast and i would advise a few more years getting experience in something fast but a little more forgiving and a few days doing different driving courses, skid pan, rally ect, cant beat them. Its one of the quikest cars most average people will ever get to drive and requires utmost respect and care if you like to drive fast. I know there are maybe many young drivers out there who own one and hope they will be both carefull and second the above! Plus I am a Dad who loves his sons and would like them around a while longer although they love coming out in the Cerb and laugh at there Dad who has a continous grin on his face while driving. If you go ahead make sure its well sorted, you have money to look after it and if I was you buy an old banger for everyday use??

itsallyellow

3,879 posts

250 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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greenm said:
I have a 22 and 26 six year old and would not let them near my Cerb, even though I recken them to be good drivers one even survived two years in a Seat cupra turbo. They have both drivin it privatly were nothing tohit and loved it but both agreed not a car for them on a daily basis. A Cerb is a different beast and i would advise a few more years getting experience in something fast but a little more forgiving and a few days doing different driving courses, skid pan, rally ect, cant beat them. Its one of the quikest cars most average people will ever get to drive and requires utmost respect and care if you like to drive fast. I know there are maybe many young drivers out there who own one and hope they will be both carefull and second the above! Plus I am a Dad who loves his sons and would like them around a while longer although they love coming out in the Cerb and laugh at there Dad who has a continous grin on his face while driving. If you go ahead make sure its well sorted, you have money to look after it and if I was you buy an old banger for everyday use??
Not sure i agree. I bought mine when i had just turned 18 and my Dad activly encouraged me. He knew i was sensible enough to drive one. Yes you have to give them lots of respect but us "young ones" can still drive a cerb without killing ourselves.

Mike

Edited by itsallyellow on Tuesday 2nd December 14:17

DonnyMac

3,634 posts

233 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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I had a Cerb when I was 21 - didn't have it long enough to spend any money on servicing.

I wouldn't allow my kids to get one until they were in their late twenties with lots of rear wheel drive experience.

However, everyone's different - if you do get one you'll get lots of hand clapping here and the majority telling you to take it easy in the first couple of months; this isn't meant to be patronising, all 1st timers get the congrats/be very careful combo.

Have fun in whatever you decide.
Donny

WorAl

10,877 posts

218 months

Tuesday 2nd December 2008
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Blah Blah Blah,V8 proper Cerb etc hehe, yes they are supposedly more reliable than the S6's but there are alot more companies dealing with S6's than the AJP.
If you can find an S6 with a new engine (post '05 i believe) or rebuilt recently then you shouldnt have many more problems for a while, other than electrical stuff, which, most encounter anyway....Also try to find a Good chassis, check outriggers etc for bad corrosion, new chassis circ. £8k.

S6's apparently more refined for longer cruising/everyday use ~ only hearsay.
Also please please be careful with the car of your choice, they do bite, i learned the hard way, but have luckily got away with it being repaired.....this was at low speed too, just greasy wet road.

Most of all buy with your head not your heart, find a sorted car whether it be an S6 or an AJP8, go on condition and history of car not age or mileage.....I'd rather have a 98 car with rebuilt engine at 70k miles and new chassis than a 2003 car with 30k on and no history to it.

Whatever you choose, enjoy, I know I have and cant wait to get the beastie back home. thumbupdriving