Anyone know what the crack is with the new TCS exhaust?
Anyone know what the crack is with the new TCS exhaust?
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MackemPete

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965 posts

248 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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I've heard rumours but nothing definite, I've tried ringing TCS but cant get through.

Is it available yet? How does it compare to the SP system(Cost, DB's etc)?

I love my current exhaust but its just too loud for track work so I'm looking for something quieter that wont cost me power.

ceejay

1,287 posts

284 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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I think it's still under development.

Byker28i

92,223 posts

247 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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Also didn't Fubar once mention another system under development?

Steve_T

6,356 posts

302 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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Byker28i said:
Also didn't Fubar once mention another system under development?
Yes, but that was an ACT system with some trick valving.

MackemPete

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965 posts

248 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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so no idea when it will be ready then? I'm planning a ring trip in July and dont want to drive all that way to get turned away for a loud exhaust, so I'll need to replace mine before then.

trackcar

6,453 posts

256 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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All the dyno testing has been done. Clive from V8Enhancements had made a few different designs of box up and we tried them all over a 2 day period. We had a resonance issue with one of the designs of centre box which is being addressed as that box made the most power so we wanted to use that design. Testing also showed that our initial choice of rear box design didn't reduce noise enough so we've gone for a much larger rear box now. No ETA on finished systems as yet, but I'll point this thread to Clive and see if he can tell us smile

Onzlouk

909 posts

225 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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Come on Joo, pull yer finger out! Im waiting for one aswell, with a few other bits for you to do before the ring trip in may/june. Dont let us down nono

clive f

7,259 posts

263 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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thanks Joo!

I`ll be playing with this later this month, so you will have it to test again early Feb.

MackemPete

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248 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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thanks guys

I know you cant be exact with these things but are we talking first half of this year or second? Just need to know whether it will be feasible before the ring trip? Oh and is there a waiting list yet??? biggrin

trackcar

6,453 posts

256 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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if the feb test goes well (and its really a sound test as we know what we need for flow) then it's down to how fast clive can turn them out smile

clive f

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263 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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trackcar said:
if the feb test goes well (and its really a sound test as we know what we need for flow) then it's down to how fast clive can turn them out smile
if it all works to plan then there is no reason why these cant be on the market in a couple of months topsyes

caduceus

6,129 posts

296 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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Is this a completesystem, ie - with manifold?

trackcar

6,453 posts

256 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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Ive yet to see a conclusive test of anything better than the std large bore tvr manifold. Ive tested 4 manifolds now and can't say that any one design is better than another. on all the cars ive tested even with 4 into 1 manifolds completely unlike the TVR versions they all make about 400hp / 360lb.ft.
The only manifold I would love to try is the BTB version but its only on one car (as far as I know) up in scotland. Clive is going to be looking at manifolds for his own 4.2 and we've already bounced a few ideas around on that score (clive is pretty knowledgebale on exhausts now and has done a lot of research and his theory knowledge is beyond mine now) but as it's going into his griff it might not translate into a cerb spec manifold very easily. If your existing manifolds are cracked/broken there's no reason why you shouldn't try something else, you might find something that works well, but i have yet to see one. but watch this space, or at least watch clive's space hehe

MackemPete

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248 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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Is it designed to work with the TCS linked decat or is this replaced as part of the new system?

trackcar

6,453 posts

256 months

Tuesday 6th January 2009
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we did the first testing on straight decats to make the worst case scenario for noise for the exhaust. it bolts in exactly the same as the std system so will fit behind decats or cats .. but we also have a another design of linked decats that we are going to trial too with the emphasis on more flow and even lower noise. there's a lot of work going on and many people on seeing a finished part for sale dont realise how much time and investment goes into deciding what gets made and what goes in the bin. clive and i have invested thousands not tens or hundreds in getting this far, a situation familiar to anyone doing development work. I myself made a few systems before getting clive involved, and he has made a few systems and now making another. the end result is the melting of all the best bits we've found so far and also tested against the existing benchmark systems available. it all takes time and money. In keeping with the open development policy i employ, the process will be the subject of another Sprint magazine report in the near future.

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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To give people an idea of how much exhaust parts cost - a mandrel bending machine costs in excess of 50K .. so only people like JP exhausts and Blue Flame can justify them but you can buy the individual bends and tube.

Stainless tube is now around £11 / metre for 1 3/4 inch and £18 / metre for 2 1/2 inch tube, bends are around £6 for 10 ~ 90 degree bends and £18 for a 180 degree bend and you typically seem to need 3 bends for each tube .. for a 4 into 1. I've spent over £350 on bends along for a single pair on exhausts and that does not include the 4 into 1 collectors, 8mm lazer cut head flange plates, compensator joints or bends and exhaust boxes for the rear part of the exhaust..

I talked to a guy yesterday who used to make the exhausts for the JWR GT40's and he said it too a whole week to make the exhausts for those - with no interrumpions..



Edited by rev-erend on Wednesday 7th January 10:22

itsallyellow

3,879 posts

250 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Hopefully by the end of the month we will have a new system on the race car. Just a shame i wont be able to do a direct comparison to the old sp system.

Mike

MackemPete

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965 posts

248 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Clive I've PM'd you. Feel free to tell me where to go biggrin

Gazzab

21,661 posts

312 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Have Austec done a chinese version?

Steve_T

6,356 posts

302 months

Wednesday 7th January 2009
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Gazzab said:
Have Austec done a chinese version?
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