Red Rose Questions

[Yellow Griff]

We're contemplating buying a Cerbera and are looking for some help/info/opinion on red rose cars.

What's the best guess as to how many Factory Red Rose cars were made?

Are the differences really significant/noticeable in the real world?

What premium (if any) would you expect to pay over a standard 4.5?

Thanks,

Simon

[esso]

Yellow Griff said:

We're contemplating buying a Cerbera and are looking for some help/info/opinion on red rose cars.

What's the best guess as to how many Factory Red Rose cars were made?

Are the differences really significant/noticeable in the real world?

What premium (if any) would you expect to pay over a standard 4.5?

Thanks,

Simon

Answers
1.~??????????????
2.Red Rose gives near enough the quoted TVR output figures
3.Lots!!!
4.they are rare as rocking horse S**t!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by esso on Sunday 25th January 13:11

[southendpier]

esso said:

Yellow Griff said:

We're contemplating buying a Cerbera and are looking for some help/info/opinion on red rose cars.

What's the best guess as to how many Factory Red Rose cars were made?

Are the differences really significant/noticeable in the real world?

What premium (if any) would you expect to pay over a standard 4.5?

Thanks,

Simon

Answers
1.~??????????????
2.Red Rose gives near enough the quoted TVR output figures
3.Lots!!!
4.they are rare as rocking horse S**t!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by esso on Sunday 25th January 13:11

I always was under the impression there was little real difference with the RR cars...in fact isn't there some debate over what actually went into the RR cars some are significantly different?

[dempsey]

The factory Build Sheet specifications for my 4.5 LW Red Rose (08/11/01) read:

'Lightweight body as per press car'

'Red Rose Upgrade : -
Raised compression ratio
3-angle valve seats
Re-worked and polished ports
Balanced combustion chambers
Optimised cam timing
Re-shimmed cam followers
New high performance head gaskets
ECU EPROM chips
ECU 95/97 octane switch'

With Joolz short induction kit and remap it makes TVR's claimed output.

[RUSSELLM]

Or by a standard 4.5 & get Dom at Power or one of the other builders to do a Red Rose conversion

[VPower]

To be honest, if there is any real world difference between a RR and a remapped 4.5, it's less than the driver's! IMHO

[Yellow Griff]

Thanks for the replies. Been doing a little more digging and from what I can tell it seems that RR came in from 02 on, so I guess that's why there are so few of them around.

Getting a stock 4.5 converted is about £4k from Power so that helps determine the "cost" although "value" may be different depending on people's view of authenticity. Have always noticed that this tends to be worth more to the seller than the buyer

Simon

[Phil_Edge]

Got mine done (RR conversion and remap) at Austec - will be able to tell you the difference in about... oooh... 150 more miles. Finish running in and then get the remap.

She already sounds quite different!

[ro_butler]

Yellow Griff said:

Thanks for the replies. Been doing a little more digging and from what I can tell it seems that RR came in from 02 on, so I guess that's why there are so few of them around.

Not strictly true. The first 2 done by the factory were Christof's and Martin Redwood's (Beaver) which were registered in 2001

[trackcar]

Crikey those are two names from the past

Dannylt had the first retro-fitted red rose engine conversion on a std 4.5 I think ?

[HarryW]

Phil_Edge said:

Got mine done (RR conversion and remap) at Austec - will be able to tell you the difference in about... oooh... 150 more miles. Finish running in and then get the remap.

She already sounds quite different!

they do sound different, indeed even better, I don't know what part of the change makes the note different but it certainly is. 150 miles eh, I'm sure you could rack that up on an extended journey to Austec . Looking forward to the results

[TvrTone]

dempsey said:

The factory Build Sheet specifications for my 4.5 LW Red Rose (08/11/01) read:

'Lightweight body as per press car'

I currently own the press car, so does that mean the RR was a retro fit on my car? I had always assumed that it was fitted from day 1

Tony

[chim500nj]

TvrTone said:

dempsey said:

The factory Build Sheet specifications for my 4.5 LW Red Rose (08/11/01) read:

'Lightweight body as per press car'

I currently own the press car, so does that mean the RR was a retro fit on my car? I had always assumed that it was fitted from day 1

Tony

Your car was in that legendary article that was in EVO magazine Cerb VS Brabus Merc great article lovely car too...

[TT Tim]

chim500nj said:

Your car was in that legendary article that was in EVO magazine Cerb VS Brabus Merc great article lovely car too...

That'll be this one:

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/1570...

Tim

[markh1]

TT Tim said:

chim500nj said:

Your car was in that legendary article that was in EVO magazine Cerb VS Brabus Merc great article lovely car too...

That'll be this one:

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/1570...

Tim

great article, thanks for posting that.

[C3BER]

Yellow Griff said:

Thanks for the replies. Been doing a little more digging and from what I can tell it seems that RR came in from 02 on, so I guess that's why there are so few of them around.

2001 not 2002.

I agree as has been mentioned they do sound different to a normal 4.5, god knows why but they do.

...and I love mine.

[redrose]

i own a 2001 redrose but i dont know if it was factory fitted or they made it after. Is that mentioned anywhere on the logbook or is noticeable from the chassis no?

[caduceus]

I heard, that when TVR were building the engines, the units that produced the claimed BHP figures (or very close to it) were put to once side. For no reason at all these engines just pop up fro time to time, and were a good few horses up on the majority of the engines that were used. Presumeably some were put together bang on tolerance, and all the components just happened to balance up perfectly.
So the units that were put aside were given Red Rose status, and sold as an upgrade.

[V10JRR]

We purchased ours from new in May 2002 but the factory said there were eight already built by then.

At the Yorkshire cerbera meeting a few yeatrs back we lined 10 of them up together.

I think the last 10 cerberas built were supposed to be red rose spec

I have not seen a factory built one for sale

We drove a large number of 4.5s before deciding to buy new and the RR is quicker.

Top speed is a little bit south of the figure in the article but we were fully loaded with all of our Le Mans camping gear between Alencon and Le Mans but still achieved something with an 8 in the middle of the number (on the clock)

Hope you find one

Lost Boys

[Phil Dicky]

TT Tim said:

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/1570...

Tim

Oh the memories, good times, if only