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darri

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19 posts

217 months

Thursday 12th March 2009
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hi guys,
i have a problem with my 1997 cerbera 4.2...

it went to the garage for clutch master cylinder. easy enough but it now has a miss fire and wont tick over... its almost like over fuelling or something , when opened up its ok as soon as you let of the throttle its back... im not sure if its something the garage has done or just co-incidence but i have checked all conections and they seem to be fine.... the MIL light is also flashing madly when at low revs but when driving it seems to flash every 5-6 secs any ideas guys.... i have got a data lead and disc but the cable dont fit my laptop, i have been to P.C world and they say they dont do a lead..... again any ideas guys,,

cheers

sonnylad

1,165 posts

255 months

Thursday 12th March 2009
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Sounds like lambdas wired back to front or damaged on removal or fitment of the bell housing.

Russ

brogenville

941 posts

231 months

Thursday 12th March 2009
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I would concur with the lambda connector theory.

darri

Original Poster:

19 posts

217 months

Thursday 12th March 2009
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does anyone know what the flash codes mean...

and does anyone know about the lead cheers guys

Byker28i

92,158 posts

247 months

Thursday 12th March 2009
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97 4.2 probably just needs a straight through serial lead - do you have a serial port on your laptop? If not you'll need a USB-serial lead.

You have to remove the 4 screws from the corners of the ecu to get access to the socket.

darri

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19 posts

217 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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Ok guys. I have changed both of the lambda sensors. But. Still the same. So. Any other ideas guys has anyone got any ideas about the mil light. What the codes are.
Cheers.

VPower

3,598 posts

224 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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Are the spark plug leads all pushed on properly?

mikesr

672 posts

261 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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darri said:
Ok guys. I have changed both of the lambda sensors. But. Still the same. So. Any other ideas guys has anyone got any ideas about the mil light. What the codes are.
Cheers.
When you say 'codes' are you thinking the MIL light is flashing some sort of code?

It doesn't. It just flashes when a fault is reported by the ECU

If the lambda sensors were connected the wrong way around its likely the adaptive maps are at the limit the ECU will allow (about 35 or 37.5%)
When the ECU detects that it needs to apply more correction than this limit it reports an AFR fault. That's probably what the MIL light flashing will be.

When you say 'I have changed both of the lambda sensors' do you mean you have fitted new lambda sensors or swapped the leads over?

Either way unless you reset the adaptive maps it will appear to have had little effect since the adaptives are still at the extreme.

You need to get the diagnostic software hooked up and find out what faults have been reported. Then have a look at the adaptive maps and see if the values are extreme. Reset the adaptives to zero and see what effect that has on the engine running.

darri

Original Poster:

19 posts

217 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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I have fitted new ones. How do I know if the leads are the right way round?
Cheers guys

darri

Original Poster:

19 posts

217 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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Oh and how do I reset them to zero.

mikesr

672 posts

261 months

Friday 13th March 2009
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darri said:
I have fitted new ones. How do I know if the leads are the right way round?
Cheers guys
The leads should have a yellow label on them and are marked 'odd bank' and 'even bank'.

Odd bank is passenger side.

To reset the adaptives you need to get the diagnostic software from here

You need a serial lead to connect the laptop to the ECU.

One of the menu options in the diagnostics is for resetting the adaptives



Edited by mikesr on Friday 13th March 22:57

Byker28i

92,158 posts

247 months

Saturday 14th March 2009
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You really do need to hook up the laptop and run the diags to see whats happening.

JensenA

5,671 posts

260 months

Saturday 14th March 2009
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Just out of interest - What is the difference between the Old Blue Diags and the new Yellow one? I know the yellow one works, but in the Yellow one the 'Help' files all relate to the Speed 6 engine.

mikesr

672 posts

261 months

Saturday 14th March 2009
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JensenA said:
Just out of interest - What is the difference between the Old Blue Diags and the new Yellow one? I know the yellow one works, but in the Yellow one the 'Help' files all relate to the Speed 6 engine.
The later version has additional configuration files for the later versions of the ECU software - especially the speed6

There are some bug fixes and feature enhancements as well - Interrogate Logs and Reset Throttle are extras in the tools menu

Don't you have 2 versions of the help files?

MapHelp.txt and MapHelp6.txt
Loghelp.txt and Loghelp6.txt
Rthelp.txt and Rthelp6.txt


Ah! I see what you mean (having just fired up the software). With the later diagnostics the Help menu options open the Speed6 versions of the help txt files

Edited by mikesr on Saturday 14th March 10:34