WARNING! WARNING!
WARNING! WARNING!
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C3BER

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4,714 posts

253 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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A fantastic day for a drive and to pick the kids up from school. Starts the car and I can smell fuel, which is ok as its been stood for a week I suppose? Now I need to move the car so I reverse back to see a trail of fuel down the drive.

Stops the car and picks the kids up in my work hack but not before dropping in at TvR for a quick chat on what it could be. A simple hose Mick was Ians best guess,just check for any rubbing areas on the pipes.

Back home with Grass Widow starting the car and with me with my BP torch in hand I take a look. Bloody hell 'Stop'. I tiny hole in one of the fuel pipes which was not touching anything was leaking under pressure straight on the engine.

A massive word of warning everybody, check those pipes because if i had driven off in the dark it would have been goodbye car.


DonnyMac

3,634 posts

233 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Have the whole lot replaced - I just had the ones in the engine bay done at first; 6 weeks later had another leak elsewhere - which makes sense, they're all the same age.

I felt lucky too, happened on the drive, not whilst on A drive.

C3BER

Original Poster:

4,714 posts

253 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Looking at that and maybe the braided type just to make sure.

ridds

8,372 posts

274 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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tbh I'd really like to see a Wiki stuck at the top of this forum highlighting this issue to all.

There have been too many close calls wrt fuel leaks.

I have had a hose burst on me, luckily in the rear wheel arch and not the engine bay unlike some other poor sods.

Steve_T

6,356 posts

302 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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I'm another one in the I'm bloody lucky camp. I spotted a damp hose running into the fuel cooler when swapping the water temp sender out before a 2k mile trip. As Don says if one has gone the rest will surely follow. yikes

C3BER

Original Poster:

4,714 posts

253 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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I can honesly say I was shocked by the amount of fuel that was coming out. If I'd picked the kids up and it went bang oh it does not even need thinking about.

Richard new pipes please.

Del 203

12,728 posts

279 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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ridds said:
tbh I'd really like to see a Wiki stuck at the top of this forum highlighting this issue to all.

There have been too many close calls wrt fuel leaks.

I have had a hose burst on me, luckily in the rear wheel arch and not the engine bay unlike some other poor sods.
Are you guys amongst the DIY service ? (not having a go if you are) Or have all these hoses not been checked by dealers/Indies ? I know they aren't a service item (on my diy service they are, at least every few yrs wink ) but would've thought a half decent shop would recommend a change every few yrs, especially in the engine bay ....

ridds

8,372 posts

274 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Yep tbh mine was reccomended when it last had a 12K and tappet check 3k miles ago.

They went about 1000 miles after that. After it had been stood in the garage for 3-4 months. eek

Del 203

12,728 posts

279 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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ridds said:
Yep tbh mine was reccomended when it last had a 12K and tappet check 3k miles ago.

They went about 1000 miles after that. After it had been stood in the garage for 3-4 months. eek
Was it done ? correct spec used ?

Dave_M

5,486 posts

254 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Also worth checking the manual door releases too in case the worst happens.

ridds

8,372 posts

274 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Yep, door releases checked once a month.

Hoses replaced with fuel resistant hose from Pirtek at the rear and some special and very Nylon lined expensive hose from Volvo in the engine bay. All engine bay hoses were thermally lagged as well.

TVR didn't actually use proper fuel resistant hose on the cars and hence why we are all seeing problems now.

plumAJP

1,149 posts

219 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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as im in the middle of refurbing the cerb i would love to replace the fuel lines with braided stainless ones but i havent a clue how long they are and how to drag it through the car.

the is my only worry with the car. if the engine goes bang then fair enough you still have a car. but if a fuel line perishes or ruptures and it isn't spotted in time then you will be cerbless.

has some got theirs off or is about to remove the lines to replace them with braided lines? if so im sure there are dozens of us that would willingly like a group buy on them if a hose maker can knock up say 20 sets.

if theres no one on here that will do it, I will remove mine and enquire on cost of making X amount of sets with a hose maufacturer such as Pirtek etc if we have a lot of interest in them


BCA

8,651 posts

287 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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I dont like braded lines - if there were to be similar issues again, you would have an even harder time spotting them.

DonnyMac

3,634 posts

233 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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plumAJP said:
as im in the middle of refurbing the cerb i would love to replace the fuel lines with braided stainless ones but i havent a clue how long they are and how to drag it through the car.

the is my only worry with the car. if the engine goes bang then fair enough you still have a car. but if a fuel line perishes or ruptures and it isn't spotted in time then you will be cerbless.

has some got theirs off or is about to remove the lines to replace them with braided lines? if so im sure there are dozens of us that would willingly like a group buy on them if a hose maker can knock up say 20 sets.

if theres no one on here that will do it, I will remove mine and enquire on cost of making X amount of sets with a hose maufacturer such as Pirtek etc if we have a lot of interest in them
I might be wrong, but I think Steve_T above has the braided hoses - he's a fairly helpful chap smile so am sure he'll give you the measurements.

ridds

8,372 posts

274 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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The fuel lines within the car are actually hard stainless pipe.

There's only 2 short pipes at the rear in the nearside rear wheel arch and 2 in the engine bay.

ro_butler

795 posts

301 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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BCA said:
I dont like braded lines - if there were to be similar issues again, you would have an even harder time spotting them.
Agreed. The braid will not contain the fuel so won't stop the car catching light. It will provide more abrasion resistance but I'm not convinced this is the problem.

ridds

8,372 posts

274 months

Tuesday 17th March 2009
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Your right. It's the fuel degrading the hose from the inside out.

ajp70

543 posts

216 months

Wednesday 18th March 2009
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Even if everyone checks and/or renews their hoses I would still recommend carrying a fire extinguisher. A long time ago (non TVR) I had a fuel line drop out of the carburettor and on to the hot manifold whilst I was driving into town. There was a lot of fire and I could only stand back and watch the car burn. Ever since I've carried an extinguisher and never needed it but as they say, better to have one and not need it than to...


You could also be someone elses saviour.

DonnyMac

3,634 posts

233 months

Wednesday 18th March 2009
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ajp70 said:
I would still recommend carrying a fire extinguisher.
Sits on the passenger seat when I'm driving alone or back seat footwell when not - after seeing the back of a Tam go up in flames, not fuel related, but he had his extinguisher in the boot and had to go over the flames to get it.

plumAJP

1,149 posts

219 months

Wednesday 18th March 2009
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I have an extinguisher which is velcro'd in the helmet holder, but I will be replacing the rubber lines with new stuff to stop me worring.

whats the best material to go for then? i understand braided will not contain the leak but i thought it usefull for wear resistance. are there any special compunds out there that last a very very long time?