Heavy/Sticking Steering. Oil Your UJ's Now.
Heavy/Sticking Steering. Oil Your UJ's Now.
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Guy J Russell

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346 posts

218 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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A while ago my steering went really heavy to a point where it was difficult to drive but among other issues it got put to the back of the list. Sticky universal joints were suggested but it was that bad that i had ruled those out (Joo said it was the worst one he would have seen if it was the universal joints) and was planning on a new rack. However during the last few days of doing bits to the car i have WD40'd both joints a few times just because i had the can in my hand while in that area. I didnt really expect it to make a difference. I drove the car yesterday and the steering is absolutely perfect! I cant believe the difference! So i recommend a monthly application of oil to everyone!

Storer

5,024 posts

245 months

Tuesday 7th April 2009
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I have a similar problem. You can turn the wheel and get very little self-centering.

But my car also wanders on the road. Very badly affected by undulations and wheelings left by trucks. I have a set of new ball joints to fit when I get round to it which I hope will help. I think it is probably time to change the U/Js in my steering too. The car is after all 11 years old.

BCA

8,651 posts

287 months

Wednesday 8th April 2009
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If they're that bad, replace them. smile

brogenville

941 posts

231 months

Wednesday 8th April 2009
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And if you really want them to last forever, pack them with UJ grease then cover them with a rubber boot, sealed up with some tie wraps.

Storer

5,024 posts

245 months

Thursday 9th April 2009
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brogenville said:
And if you really want them to last forever, pack them with UJ grease then cover them with a rubber boot, sealed up with some tie wraps.
That is the sort of thing the factory should have done but were too penny pinching to worry about.

Guy J Russell

Original Poster:

346 posts

218 months

Friday 10th April 2009
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Storer said:
brogenville said:
And if you really want them to last forever, pack them with UJ grease then cover them with a rubber boot, sealed up with some tie wraps.
That is the sort of thing the factory should have done but were too penny pinching to worry about.
Now this is a good idea! The joints are exposed to all elements so whith all the salt on the roads through winter where is no wonder they seize up! Why did they leave them exposed like this from the factory? A fairly vital component is steering. Lol! I cant believe the difference a squirt of WD made to mine! Now where to get a perfect fit boot?

shpub

8,507 posts

302 months

Friday 10th April 2009
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A universal one is a good bet. Saves having to take the shaft off to fit it.

Ireland

3,517 posts

244 months

Friday 10th April 2009
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Storer said:
I have a similar problem. You can turn the wheel and get very little self-centering.

But my car also wanders on the road. Very badly affected by undulations and wheelings left by trucks. I have a set of new ball joints to fit when I get round to it which I hope will help. I think it is probably time to change the U/Js in my steering too. The car is after all 11 years old.
This sounds more like a tracking issue, a problem with the rack or very wide tyres on the front.

If everything else was ok and the UJs were just a wee bit stiff it should still centre itself.

Check the easy ones of those first.

Storer

5,024 posts

245 months

Friday 10th April 2009
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Ireland said:
Storer said:
I have a similar problem. You can turn the wheel and get very little self-centering.

But my car also wanders on the road. Very badly affected by undulations and wheelings left by trucks. I have a set of new ball joints to fit when I get round to it which I hope will help. I think it is probably time to change the U/Js in my steering too. The car is after all 11 years old.
This sounds more like a tracking issue, a problem with the rack or very wide tyres on the front.

If everything else was ok and the UJs were just a wee bit stiff it should still centre itself.

Check the easy ones of those first.
Iv'e got to find the time to investigate but I am a bit busy on business projects at the moment. Just a matter of finding the time as I have most of the parts I need already.

RUSSELLM

6,002 posts

277 months

Friday 10th April 2009
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Storer said:
I have a similar problem. You can turn the wheel and get very little self-centering.

But my car also wanders on the road. Very badly affected by undulations and wheelings left by trucks. I have a set of new ball joints to fit when I get round to it which I hope will help. I think it is probably time to change the U/Js in my steering too. The car is after all 11 years old.
Mine has exactly the same symptoms. I find that when I make an input on the steering, the car wants to stay going the direction that i've just dialled in, instead of centralizing. It's obviously exagerated at high speed, so on the motorway I tend to find i'm having to make loads of steering inputs to keep it in a straight line. It feels very dangerous.
I may be wrong, but I think Power said it's got a "dead spot" ? on the steering rack. Anyhoo, it's booked in for next month to get it rectified.

Storer

5,024 posts

245 months

Friday 10th April 2009
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RUSSELLM said:
Storer said:
I have a similar problem. You can turn the wheel and get very little self-centering.

But my car also wanders on the road. Very badly affected by undulations and wheelings left by trucks. I have a set of new ball joints to fit when I get round to it which I hope will help. I think it is probably time to change the U/Js in my steering too. The car is after all 11 years old.
Mine has exactly the same symptoms. I find that when I make an input on the steering, the car wants to stay going the direction that i've just dialled in, instead of centralizing. It's obviously exagerated at high speed, so on the motorway I tend to find i'm having to make loads of steering inputs to keep it in a straight line. It feels very dangerous.
I may be wrong, but I think Power said it's got a "dead spot" ? on the steering rack. Anyhoo, it's booked in for next month to get it rectified.
It will be interesting to see if they are correct. An expensive fix though as I think a rack is about £1K plus fitting. I will do all the other bits first (as they need doing anyway) before I try the rack. Please let me know what they find.

ridds

8,372 posts

274 months

Friday 10th April 2009
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RUSSELLM said:
Storer said:
I have a similar problem. You can turn the wheel and get very little self-centering.

But my car also wanders on the road. Very badly affected by undulations and wheelings left by trucks. I have a set of new ball joints to fit when I get round to it which I hope will help. I think it is probably time to change the U/Js in my steering too. The car is after all 11 years old.
Mine has exactly the same symptoms. I find that when I make an input on the steering, the car wants to stay going the direction that i've just dialled in, instead of centralizing. It's obviously exagerated at high speed, so on the motorway I tend to find i'm having to make loads of steering inputs to keep it in a straight line. It feels very dangerous.
I may be wrong, but I think Power said it's got a "dead spot" ? on the steering rack. Anyhoo, it's booked in for next month to get it rectified.
I think the Cerb has some shocking caster angles and hence doesn't self centre very well anyway.

Check your tyre pressures too, much more than 22 PSI in the front and it will weave like a bugger.

RUSSELLM

6,002 posts

277 months

Friday 10th April 2009
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I've always kept to the handbook for the pressure, from memory 20 front, 24 rear.
Geometry's been checked by Three different companies, UJ's have been checked .
An indie fitted a track rod end some time back, and I don't think the car's handled right since, but Power say it's OK.
Hoping this will finally solve it smile