4.5 injectors
4.5 injectors
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clive f

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255 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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can anyone give me the part number, found on the side, of the 4.5 injectors?

it will help me with setting the fueling on the emerald, I have a 4.5 map, my car is a 4.2, and I have non standard injectors, I know all the specs for the 4.2 injectors and the new ones, but if I had the 4.5 part numbers I can get the specs for these and then change the map to suit.

hope that makes sensehehe

clive f

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Monday 27th July 2009
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bump, anyone??tumbleweed

high52kojak

505 posts

219 months

Tuesday 28th July 2009
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Hope this helps, D1720CE.

By the way there were three different part numbers out of the eight injectors, running some bosch motorsport ones now.



clive f

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Tuesday 28th July 2009
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thanks mate, very helpfulthumbup

high52kojak

505 posts

219 months

Tuesday 28th July 2009
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No worries, I can look at the others and find their numbers if that one is no good.

BGB autosport

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209 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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high52kojak said:
No worries, I can look at the others and find their numbers if that one is no good.
You must have good eye sight.....

clive f

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Wednesday 29th July 2009
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high52kojak said:
No worries, I can look at the others and find their numbers if that one is no good.
if you can that would be helpful, I couldn`t find that number listed, the number looks like a lucas part, but didn`t match up with anything they had, if it was a bosche injector it would start with the number 0280.

Steve_T

6,356 posts

294 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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The 4.5 does run Lucas as standard and the 4.2 Bosch, I have no other useful info though.

high52kojak

505 posts

219 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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I lent them to BGB for his crimpers car so i'll get him to find the numbers when he's finished dying his hair!!

marcus1970

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257 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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Isn't there an updated set that fits?

Surely there must be a better set of injectors just right for the AJP that some of the tuners recommend/use when the old ones have given up the ghost?

Spitfire4v8?

MB

Steve_T

6,356 posts

294 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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I have Bosch injectors in the Cerb - Mark Adams has recommended them for some years now.

fatjon

2,298 posts

235 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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that part number is 310cc at 3 bar with 12 Ohm coil just in case thats of use to anyone in the future.


high52kojak

505 posts

219 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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I have a set of bosch in mine which Joo sourced from the states last year

fatjon

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235 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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fatjon said:
that part number is 310cc at 3 bar with 12 Ohm coil just in case thats of use to anyone in the future.
Which incedentally makes them very borderline in a 420BHP car using the standard formulae. In fact they have a theoretical limit of 380BHP assuming they are not going over the 80% duty cycle. Although maybe the fuel pressure is higher than 3 bar on a Cerb, never had cause to measure it.

BGB autosport

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209 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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high52kojak said:
I lent them to BGB for his crimpers car so i'll get him to find the numbers when he's finished dying his hair!!
Cheeky git, im going grey gracefully....

Anyway, part numbers are as follows, (they have other less meaningfull numbers too which i can provide if required)

D1720BA (Had 4 of the 8 fitted in high52kojak's AJP8)
W097103 (Had 2 of the 8 fitted in high52kojak's AJP8)
D1720CE (Had 2 of the 8 fitted in high52kojak's AJP8)

Fatjon, it would be interesting if you could check the flow rates on these to see if all eight are the same.

Slightly off topic, will these fit a speed six

spitfire4v8

4,021 posts

203 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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1720ba are 315cc

fatjon

2,298 posts

235 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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I have extensive lists but I can't find W097103 anywhere. I think on the others the last 2 letters are grades to allow selection of matching injectors when allowing for manufacturing tolerances hence the tiny difference in flow rates, they are effectively the same injector but should be in matched sets ideally.

Now I think about it that number (W097103) rings a bell faintly. I suspect its actually the part number of the connector on the injector. On the opposing face there may be another number which is the true ID number.

Jon

clive f

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Wednesday 29th July 2009
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jon, on your lists can you tell me what these ones are good for, the injectors that came with the engine which I assume are standard 4.2 injectors are, 0280-150-744, and the new ones that I purchased from a chap who got them for his cerb but never used them are blue in colour and have these numbers on them, F5DE-B5A, 0280-155-715.

Looking on here, http://users.erols.com/srweiss/tableifc.htm#BOSCH these numbers show that these injectors I have will be no use at all for decent bhp.

here is a pic, new ones in blue, what I think are standard 4.2 ones on the right



Edited by clive f on Wednesday 29th July 21:49

fatjon

2,298 posts

235 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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0280150744 260cc/min at 3 bar 15 Ohm these are good for about 340BHP (assuming 8 of them) a tad more with higher fuel pressure and assuming a BSFC of 0.48 or 400BHP if you assume a BSFC of 0.4. Usual BSFC figure for a NASP engine is 0.4 to 0.5. A Very efficient engine is 0.4 so 0.5 is probably nearer the mark as an AJP is not noted for efficency.

the 0280150715 is 192c/min at 3 bar 15 ohm. Thats way too small for an AJP probably in the region of 240BHP at BSFC of 0.5 or 295BHP at BSFC 0.4

All the numbers assume 80% duty cycle which is the general standard used.


fatjon

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235 months

Wednesday 29th July 2009
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BTW I have a nice running emerald map on my 4.5 if thats of help as a starting point. Took many hours of work to get rid of the shunting at low rpm cruise.

Jon