AC Crank bolt - how to get out?
AC Crank bolt - how to get out?
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jammy_basturd

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29,778 posts

241 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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The AJP build manual says use loctite and torque to 80lb/ft. I've put effort into a 1' breaker bar, plus a 1.5' scaffold pole slid over the end of that which would undo a bolt torqued to 800lb/ft! Plus I've been using heat and plus gas! What am I doing wrong??

Is it possible for me to wait until the engine is out of the car and then try an airgun?

EDIT: Missed the word 'pulley' out of the title!

Edited by jammy_basturd on Tuesday 18th August 21:10

GreenV8S

31,018 posts

313 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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You know it's a left hand thread, right?









Just kidding, I have no idea.

jammy_basturd

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29,778 posts

241 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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You utter b:xxxbiggrin! hehe I KNEW it was right hand thread because I read a topic early today asking exactly that AND the workshop manual makes no mention of it being Irish. Still made my heart stop for a split second!

VPower

3,598 posts

223 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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Needs a bit of shock and awe!

Apply the torque with your scaff pole and get someone to whack the back of the socket with a 2lb hammer!


Once had to do this on a mates cars wheel nuts!!!!

markh1

2,846 posts

238 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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Plasticman and I tried to remove mine but we failed. An air gun will not work. They are not reverse thread or anything stupid like that? Mind you we tried turning it the other way and nothing budged!

jammy_basturd

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29,778 posts

241 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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Just to double check, you don't need to remove the four allen head bolts first do you?

Edited by jammy_basturd on Tuesday 18th August 21:48

markh1

2,846 posts

238 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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jammy_basturd said:
Just to double check, you don't need to remove the four allen head bolts first do you?

Edited by jammy_basturd on Tuesday 18th August 21:48
We removed them but it did not make a difference either way. It is probably worth removing them. They are not that difficult to take out.

longbow

1,610 posts

264 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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I made a special tool which located two steel pins through the pulley, welded to around a metre length of steel bar - this firmly locked the pulley in place. Then it was a big breaker bar on the bolt and a lot of force to crack it off. Definitely a normal thread though.

sk7ine man

604 posts

220 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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Had the same issue with my Supra (and a common problem on those) Crank bolts used to be seized solid. Tried air gun, breaker bars, scaffolding, heat everything you could thinl and the only thing thaat worked was a breaker bar wedged against the ground and cranking the engine over briefly until it cracked it open....very crude and very dangerous and i wouldnt recommend it but it worked for me biggrin...

FarmyardPants

4,375 posts

247 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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sk7ine man said:
Had the same issue with my Supra (and a common problem on those) Crank bolts used to be seized solid. Tried air gun, breaker bars, scaffolding, heat everything you could thinl and the only thing thaat worked was a breaker bar wedged against the ground and cranking the engine over briefly until it cracked it open....very crude and very dangerous and i wouldnt recommend it but it worked for me biggrin...
Or, wedge a breaker bar against the chassis, push the car in gear and let the clutch out. Was the only way I could crack open the pulley bolt on my RX-7...

GreenV8S

31,018 posts

313 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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Hopefully by persevering with heat, cold, penetrating oil, belting the heck out of it and making sure you're turning it the right way wink you'll get it off eventually. Whatever else you do, make sure you don't reuse that bolt afterwards. It'll be over stressed and weakened even if it doesn't snap while you're getting it out. Fit a new replacement, and from the sound of it it'll need to be high tensile. And breakable threadlock, not permanent like the previous owner used ...

julian64

14,325 posts

283 months

Wednesday 19th August 2009
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An air gun will work every time. You just need a big airgun. smile

VPower

3,598 posts

223 months

Wednesday 19th August 2009
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This is a big one 3/4" drive 600lb/ft - That's more than my engine!




Machinemart! Do TVR owners get a discount there?

But they do do slightly smaller ones that might be more suited"

Duke Thrust

1,680 posts

268 months

Thursday 20th August 2009
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sk7ine man said:
Had the same issue with my Supra (and a common problem on those) Crank bolts used to be seized solid. Tried air gun, breaker bars, scaffolding, heat everything you could thinl and the only thing thaat worked was a breaker bar wedged against the ground and cranking the engine over briefly until it cracked it open....very crude and very dangerous and i wouldnt recommend it but it worked for me biggrin...
This has never failed to work for me on any engine, always makes me very nervous though!!


ridds

8,372 posts

273 months

Friday 21st August 2009
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Yep, did the same trick on the other halfs Proton yesterday. Ages bugggering around with the impact gun and breaker bar.

Checked it was all turning the correct way and buzzed it over on the starter, took 2 seconds.

However this goes wrong when the cambelt sprocket isn't keyed or pinned at all. Bolt loosens, all timing lost.... ;(

julian64

14,325 posts

283 months

Friday 21st August 2009
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VPower said:
This is a big one 3/4" drive 600lb/ft - That's more than my engine!




Machinemart! Do TVR owners get a discount there?

But they do do slightly smaller ones that might be more suited"
Thats not a big one.

My jetcat impact wrench has 1300ftlbs. hehe. That'll take your bolt off.

jammy_basturd

Original Poster:

29,778 posts

241 months

Saturday 27th March 2010
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Finally got this out! Just goes to show what you can do with the proper tools. After hanging off the end of a 2' foot scaffold pole, which in turn was attached to a 2' breaker bar, taking dozens of attempts, and cracking the webbing on the pulley I admitted failure.

Luckily I cheered myself up with a trip to Machine Mart which resulted in the purchasing of this:
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/...
which did the job in less than 60 seconds!!