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My Cerb has sadly got to go. :-( I`ve had one guy round who was gutted he couldn`t buy it because his 18mth old baby (and seat) wouldn`t fit in the back!!
I`ve another guy from Italy who seems to be a car/bike dealer (see website www.stileitaliano.com)
who has been bouncing emails asking loads of questions and wanting loads of pics etc.
We`ve agreed on a price on the the basis of everything I`ve told him (and I`ve been very honest).
He now wants me to sign a declaration of sale which includes ALL my details including passport/ driving license numbers and copies of both plus a faxed copy of V5 and MOT both sides! He also requires my full bank details including IBAN, SWIFT and sort code??? ( I know what one of em is!).
He says when funds are cleared he will arrange these guys to collect http://www.carseurope.net/storage.php he`s given me the manager`s name to check them out.
The guy reckons he`s always buying cars from the UK. As for me, I`ve never sold anything to anyone abroad never mind my pride and joy. Am I being naive here and it`s a big con as I`m not comfortable sending all my and my car`s ID to anyone!
What would you do?
I`ve another guy from Italy who seems to be a car/bike dealer (see website www.stileitaliano.com)
who has been bouncing emails asking loads of questions and wanting loads of pics etc.
We`ve agreed on a price on the the basis of everything I`ve told him (and I`ve been very honest).
He now wants me to sign a declaration of sale which includes ALL my details including passport/ driving license numbers and copies of both plus a faxed copy of V5 and MOT both sides! He also requires my full bank details including IBAN, SWIFT and sort code??? ( I know what one of em is!).
He says when funds are cleared he will arrange these guys to collect http://www.carseurope.net/storage.php he`s given me the manager`s name to check them out.
The guy reckons he`s always buying cars from the UK. As for me, I`ve never sold anything to anyone abroad never mind my pride and joy. Am I being naive here and it`s a big con as I`m not comfortable sending all my and my car`s ID to anyone!
What would you do?
Edited by cerberaperv on Thursday 18th February 21:26
Bank details are one thing, I don't like the idea of passport / driving licence numbers one little bit.
Personally I wouldn't give them out.
I would phone the number on the website to see if it's really him but that business of sending copies of personal documents...
He'd have your date of birth, full name and address, photo, driving licence and passport numbers. Nice one.
I would also contact DVLA and ask if this is usual practice and what precautions can you take?
Malc.
Personally I wouldn't give them out.
I would phone the number on the website to see if it's really him but that business of sending copies of personal documents...
He'd have your date of birth, full name and address, photo, driving licence and passport numbers. Nice one.
I would also contact DVLA and ask if this is usual practice and what precautions can you take?
Malc.
I sold my dad's m series to a chap from the netherlands a couple of months ago. I, like you was a little bit warey but everthing was fine. He rang me up on a Sunday evening told me he wanted the car and needed my bank details, put the money in the bank in full, to my surprise, and then told me he would come over and collect it in a couple of weeks. This happened and he was very happy, he took the V5 document but at no time did he require any of my personal details. Good luck.
Regards Simon
Regards Simon
Whats been said is probably the best course of action. Personally, I wouldn't send ANY details of who I am to him anyway. If someone comes to your house to buy your car, you wouldn't need to tell them any of those details. I can't see it being any different.
On another note, it wouldn't be difficult to get the manager of the transport company to cover for him (obviously a back-hander involved) I once had a guy from abroad try to buy my last car. He gave me a number of a transport company to phone and check it out etc. and when I phoned I tried to get the guy to tell me the reg. and other details, just to see how much he knew, and he couldn't tell me. I concluded that even if it was genuine I would have thought the guy picking the car up, and delivering it, would know a bit more about it. Just be careful, and don't accept any money from western union accounts.
Good luck!
On another note, it wouldn't be difficult to get the manager of the transport company to cover for him (obviously a back-hander involved) I once had a guy from abroad try to buy my last car. He gave me a number of a transport company to phone and check it out etc. and when I phoned I tried to get the guy to tell me the reg. and other details, just to see how much he knew, and he couldn't tell me. I concluded that even if it was genuine I would have thought the guy picking the car up, and delivering it, would know a bit more about it. Just be careful, and don't accept any money from western union accounts.
Good luck!
amount of details you re giving they can apply for a credit cards and everything under your name , just make sure these people exist , there is been loads of identity thefts happening make sure you get the money before you give all the details , i m so suspicious with everything lately , i sold my Peugeot sw
couple of months ago amount of con artists e mailed me was so many , some guy send me money from italy and i had to pay 50 pounds to clear the money via western union, then i sent him a bulls
t western union number he never called me again
couple of months ago amount of con artists e mailed me was so many , some guy send me money from italy and i had to pay 50 pounds to clear the money via western union, then i sent him a bulls
t western union number he never called me againi have dealt with european buyers before and they have been very good but they have all been private induviduals and have paid cash on collection.
i really don't like the sounds of this deal, he's asking for way to much info. the V5 document would be of no use to him if the car is being exported, MOT certificate is also only good for this country and pointless for anyone exporting the car. and as for passport and bank details!!!!!!
if he is genuine about the car then tell him to fly over (very cheap nowadays) pay you cash and then he can do what ever or have who ever he wants come and collect the car. at worst just send him the bank account number of were to pay the money in and once your happy that the money is clear then he can send someone to collect the car. beware though as some bank transfers can still take a 3 days to clear into your account.
i really don't like the sounds of this deal, he's asking for way to much info. the V5 document would be of no use to him if the car is being exported, MOT certificate is also only good for this country and pointless for anyone exporting the car. and as for passport and bank details!!!!!!
if he is genuine about the car then tell him to fly over (very cheap nowadays) pay you cash and then he can do what ever or have who ever he wants come and collect the car. at worst just send him the bank account number of were to pay the money in and once your happy that the money is clear then he can send someone to collect the car. beware though as some bank transfers can still take a 3 days to clear into your account.
when I was selling my Tuscan I had several interested European buyers - all of them were expecting to fly over and see the car, one wanted to send his mechanic but none of them asked about "enough documentation to nick your identity"
I would go very carefully - sounds wrong to me. Your passport details etc are irrelevant in establishing title to the car.
if it feels wrong it probably is! IMHO of course
I would go very carefully - sounds wrong to me. Your passport details etc are irrelevant in establishing title to the car.
if it feels wrong it probably is! IMHO of course
g20v6 said:
I sold my dad's m series to a chap from the netherlands a couple of months ago. I, like you was a little bit warey but everthing was fine. He rang me up on a Sunday evening told me he wanted the car and needed my bank details, put the money in the bank in full, to my surprise, and then told me he would come over and collect it in a couple of weeks. This happened and he was very happy, he took the V5 document but at no time did he require any of my personal details. Good luck.
Regards Simon
this is similar to the people i have dealt with, normal phone conversation about the car, they are happy to pay and will not ask for any personal details up front. the only difference to any normal uk buyer and a european buyer is their accent.Regards Simon
usually the bigger the story the bigger the scam, the con-artist will give you loads of info and website links (all very easy to fake). its always some big elaborite story.
. personally I would never give out all that info its not required to sell a car if he wants it tell him to come and get it with cash 'simples!'I agree it smells a bit, but there's also some details here that you wouldn't necessarily expect so I reckon it's more likely genuine (but proceed with great caution!). Seems he's on eBay also http://stores.shop.ebay.ie/Stile-Italiano-srl which gives you another place to check his authenticity out.
I use to sell a few plasma tvs abroad. The guy will need bank details to pay you. make sure you phone the bank once the money is there and make sure they tell you it was a bank transfer/BACS/CHAPS payment and not a chq deposit... Guess he will be wanting the same sort of reassurement that your genuine as you want . maybe send him a photo copy of V5 with a big copy written across it. maybe cross out the VIN and your first line of address. Maybe get him to send you a copy of his licence! There will need to be a bit of give and take but at the end of thr day use that most important check--- what's your gut feeling?
Hard to tell if it is genuine or not. The Web site looks genuine. But the people who do scams nowadays aren't back street dodgy dealers with no resources, they are big operations with money behind them so a fake web site is very easy to set up.
If they are genuine, then I can understand them wanting to cover themselves because they will be paying you in full, for a car that is 1000 miles away, unseen, in a foreign country. But not even a British car dealer in the UK would buy a car unseen. Not even 'Webuyanycar.com' will pay for a car unseen.
By handing over all your personal details you are leaving yourself wide open to be scammed. If they really want your car they can fly over here for £100 and buy it for cash.
Don't do it.
If they are genuine, then I can understand them wanting to cover themselves because they will be paying you in full, for a car that is 1000 miles away, unseen, in a foreign country. But not even a British car dealer in the UK would buy a car unseen. Not even 'Webuyanycar.com' will pay for a car unseen.
By handing over all your personal details you are leaving yourself wide open to be scammed. If they really want your car they can fly over here for £100 and buy it for cash.
Don't do it.
Personally, if I was not 100% happy, I wouldn't take the chance. Why should you?
Why risk selling the car quickly, but with even a 1% chance that you'll never see the car or the money ever again? I would rather risk not selling the car for ages, but with a guarantee of cash in hand before any documents or keys are handed over.
The question is: Do you feel lucky? Well do ya?
I wouldn't do it.
Why risk selling the car quickly, but with even a 1% chance that you'll never see the car or the money ever again? I would rather risk not selling the car for ages, but with a guarantee of cash in hand before any documents or keys are handed over.
The question is: Do you feel lucky? Well do ya?
I wouldn't do it.
Can you afford to take the risk?
Personally I find that with the new(ish) 'Faster Payments' service from most UK banks that car sales/purchases are much easier and safer now.
My rule of thumb is no to cash (unless handed over in a bank and accepted by a bank teller), no to bankers drafts, no take car until the money is cleared into my account, if a foreign buyer wants stuff from me then no to all their demands...
Personally I find that with the new(ish) 'Faster Payments' service from most UK banks that car sales/purchases are much easier and safer now.
My rule of thumb is no to cash (unless handed over in a bank and accepted by a bank teller), no to bankers drafts, no take car until the money is cleared into my account, if a foreign buyer wants stuff from me then no to all their demands...
Why on earth does this guy need your passport and driving licence numbers? He doesn't even need your bank details because he can just send a bankers cheque by recorded delivery. I don't think this is a case of 'can you afford to take the risk'. I think it is a case of 'you're about to get cleaned out!'. Walk away, no matter how much you need the money.
Edited to say, don't be fooled by the website he's given you or the fact he knows the managers name. One quick phone call to the company would yield this information.
YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE RIPPED OFF. WALK AWAY!!
Edited to say, don't be fooled by the website he's given you or the fact he knows the managers name. One quick phone call to the company would yield this information.
YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE RIPPED OFF. WALK AWAY!!
Edited by SonicHedgeHog on Friday 19th February 10:08
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