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Good afternoon oh knowledgeable ones.
I went to back my Cerb out of the garage and i couldnt get it into gear.
It hasnt been used much lately due to salt and s
t.
Eventually it graunched into reverse and i backed it out.
I then spent a few minutes trying to get it into first and/or reverse again with no luck.
I left it running while i took off the cover to the master cylinder and this was still full. I put it back together and it then went into gear a little stubbornly, After a half a mile it was all back to normal and getting into gear was as easy as ever.
What do you reckon? Impending doom or just a sulk because i havent been using her? Went out for a 50 mile blast and never missed a beat!
I went to back my Cerb out of the garage and i couldnt get it into gear.
It hasnt been used much lately due to salt and s
t.Eventually it graunched into reverse and i backed it out.
I then spent a few minutes trying to get it into first and/or reverse again with no luck.
I left it running while i took off the cover to the master cylinder and this was still full. I put it back together and it then went into gear a little stubbornly, After a half a mile it was all back to normal and getting into gear was as easy as ever.
What do you reckon? Impending doom or just a sulk because i havent been using her? Went out for a 50 mile blast and never missed a beat!
That happened to me this time last year.
After thinking it was the slave cylinder and changing that , clutch and lightend flywheel as it seemed silly not to do it all at the same time i found it was the master cylinder , most people talk about looking for fluid under brake peddle but i had none...
not to bad to change although a second set of hands is needed
After thinking it was the slave cylinder and changing that , clutch and lightend flywheel as it seemed silly not to do it all at the same time i found it was the master cylinder , most people talk about looking for fluid under brake peddle but i had none...
not to bad to change although a second set of hands is needed
The exact same symptoms happened to a mate of mine. Even the fluid in the reservoir was fine if a little manky looking.
We tried bleeding it the usual way with no joy so tried an easy bleed and that did the trick.
There must have been a small air lock in the system preventing the usual bleed method (pedal up, pedal down) not to work. Forcing the fluid through using the easy bleed did the trick and it's been fine since.
We tried bleeding it the usual way with no joy so tried an easy bleed and that did the trick.
There must have been a small air lock in the system preventing the usual bleed method (pedal up, pedal down) not to work. Forcing the fluid through using the easy bleed did the trick and it's been fine since.
If its an airlock then when you are using the clutch a lot it will disperse the air bubbles into lots of smaller ones, then once sitting will re-form into a larger, more compressible bubble. sometimes these can get stuck at certain points and be hard to bleed out (ie the slave) if you still have the car it may be worth using a pressurized bleeding kit (ones that use your tyre pressure etc) to force the air out.
When my fingers went I heard a noticeable difference as the release bearing was being pushed on one side.
When my fingers went I heard a noticeable difference as the release bearing was being pushed on one side.
The bleed nipple is underneath the panel that sits below the winscreen, the one held in place with the 2 countersunk caphead screws that also covers the battery. The bleed nipple is usually cable tied just under where the drivers side windscreen wiper spindle is. It's at the end of a piece of stainless steel braided hose coming from the slave cylinder.
Regards
Simon
Regards
Simon
Edited by SimonKD on Sunday 9th January 17:14
Hey Steve, had a think a bit more whilst driving back about your woes.
Slave failures nearly always result in fluid under the car,so I think you can rule that out.
It could be fingers although the recent clutch would hint that it's not that.
I still think it's the master though and a way to check that would be to have someone push the pedal while you open the bleed nipple, no pressure or fluid loss would mean that it's gone.
They can fail like brake master cylinders, gradual pressure allows fluid to leak past the seal internally, so in theory pressing it down fast may also hint at the failure.
Slave failures nearly always result in fluid under the car,so I think you can rule that out.
It could be fingers although the recent clutch would hint that it's not that.
I still think it's the master though and a way to check that would be to have someone push the pedal while you open the bleed nipple, no pressure or fluid loss would mean that it's gone.
They can fail like brake master cylinders, gradual pressure allows fluid to leak past the seal internally, so in theory pressing it down fast may also hint at the failure.
Hi Matt
Thanks for the input. There are a few drips under the car, always have been but i ts only engine oil as far as i can see. Master cylinder is full to the brim, although fluid is quite dirty.
Ive looked in the pile of receipts donny has aquired and the clutch has done 9000 miles.
I was going to pick up an easy bleeder from Halfords tomorrow. I wonder if you are free for a bit in the evening?
atb
steve
Thanks for the input. There are a few drips under the car, always have been but i ts only engine oil as far as i can see. Master cylinder is full to the brim, although fluid is quite dirty.
Ive looked in the pile of receipts donny has aquired and the clutch has done 9000 miles.
I was going to pick up an easy bleeder from Halfords tomorrow. I wonder if you are free for a bit in the evening?
atb
steve
Edited by steviejasp on Sunday 9th January 18:43
Afraid I'm back in Northampton tomorrow. F1 engine to look after. 
Check the position of the drip as the slave will leak from the joint between the gearbox abstract the bellhousing. The fluid will be very thin not like engine oil at all.
Unfortunately dirty fluid suggests slave seals as that will be them breaking down.
Check the position of the drip as the slave will leak from the joint between the gearbox abstract the bellhousing. The fluid will be very thin not like engine oil at all.
Unfortunately dirty fluid suggests slave seals as that will be them breaking down.
I would go and get yourself an easybleed kit first and give that a go. It's cheap and simple and you will not have to be without the car for any length of time. It will take you half hr to do it yourself.
BUT... personally I hate using tyre pressure as is suggested as its 20-30 psi and not very controllable, remember clutch fluid and paint are not the best of friends. I attached mine to a bicycle pump and that works well and is fully controllable by you.
BUT... personally I hate using tyre pressure as is suggested as its 20-30 psi and not very controllable, remember clutch fluid and paint are not the best of friends. I attached mine to a bicycle pump and that works well and is fully controllable by you.
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