Advice on buying a 612 Scaglietti
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A relative is looking for a proper four seat GT, and today went out with the intention of looking at some Astons. Unfortunately the rear seats in the DB9 and the Vanquish are just too small, even for his young kids.
The garage had a 612 Scaglietti though, which appeared to have much more room in the back. Specifically, this one: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2748618.htm
He's had a few TVRs in the past (Chimaeras and a Tuscan) and a small collection of vintage and classic motorcycles, but hasn't really even considered a Ferrari before, as far as I know. He's asked my advice, and all I can do is regurgitate the various reviews I've found from when they were new.
What he'd really like to know, is what they are like to live with. Is servicing going to be ruinously expensive? The car will be used as backup family transport (currently a Lexus RX450h and a Medium Cooper S) and for "getting to the South of France in a day" in his words. I would imagine around 8,000-10,000 miles a year in total. What would be realistic budget for an annual and a major service? And tyres?
Also, any buying advice would be greatly appreciated - does that car in the link represent good value? I can't think of anything else offering the speed, space and presence for the money. He's not keen on my alternative suggestions of a Panamera or Quattroporte. Any other suggestions? Thanks in advance.
The garage had a 612 Scaglietti though, which appeared to have much more room in the back. Specifically, this one: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2748618.htm
He's had a few TVRs in the past (Chimaeras and a Tuscan) and a small collection of vintage and classic motorcycles, but hasn't really even considered a Ferrari before, as far as I know. He's asked my advice, and all I can do is regurgitate the various reviews I've found from when they were new.
What he'd really like to know, is what they are like to live with. Is servicing going to be ruinously expensive? The car will be used as backup family transport (currently a Lexus RX450h and a Medium Cooper S) and for "getting to the South of France in a day" in his words. I would imagine around 8,000-10,000 miles a year in total. What would be realistic budget for an annual and a major service? And tyres?
Also, any buying advice would be greatly appreciated - does that car in the link represent good value? I can't think of anything else offering the speed, space and presence for the money. He's not keen on my alternative suggestions of a Panamera or Quattroporte. Any other suggestions? Thanks in advance.
I was going to say QP all the way, I personally dont like the look of the 612, it looks old before its time plus its stil got a fair bit of depreciating to do.
I dont have a huge amount to add, but Id probs consider looking at 456's aswell, virtually the older model of a 612 (However I dont think there is quite as much space in the back, a 612 will happily take adults in the back, where the 456 is more suited to kids), it looks nicer, still has a cracking V12 with all the performance you coul ever want and he could get a nice one for under 50k.
I dont have a huge amount to add, but Id probs consider looking at 456's aswell, virtually the older model of a 612 (However I dont think there is quite as much space in the back, a 612 will happily take adults in the back, where the 456 is more suited to kids), it looks nicer, still has a cracking V12 with all the performance you coul ever want and he could get a nice one for under 50k.
sjn2004 said:
Has he considered a Granturismo? For that price he can get a newer car still under warranty plus V8 running costs. There is also stacks of room in the back of a Granturismo.
Sadly, one of the other partners at his practice has one. Can't be seen to have the same car, dear chap! ;-)Good idea though, I shall try to steer him that way. Worse depreciation than the Donkey though?
wineman02 said:
456's are a little small in the back but if the kids are under 5.4" then should not be a problem. They are also way under £40k and not £50 as mentioned above. If he gets a good one he will be sorted. I think the engines are solid but be wary of the electrics esp the windows!
Under £40k is also included under £50k. For 40-50k you are looking at a cracker.I might rock the boat and suggest a panmera?!?! Imagine it to be much cheaper to run than a fezza, but then you'd have to look at it everyday.
russy01 said:
wineman02 said:
456's are a little small in the back but if the kids are under 5.4" then should not be a problem. They are also way under £40k and not £50 as mentioned above. If he gets a good one he will be sorted. I think the engines are solid but be wary of the electrics esp the windows!
Under £40k is also included under £50k. For 40-50k you are looking at a cracker.I might rock the boat and suggest a panmera?!?! Imagine it to be much cheaper to run than a fezza, but then you'd have to look at it everyday.
What about a GTR, they have four seats and great performance for 45-50k.
russy01 said:
Under £40k is also included under £50k. For 40-50k you are looking at a cracker.
Clearly. My point is that £40k is the most you could possibly pay even for the very best example out there. In fact you would pay far less than that for a fantastic car that has been fully sorted from a indy specialist. They are very much under priced at the moment.Personally if I was buying a v12 Ferrari I`d only be looking at main dealer cars to get the 2 year power warranty, especially with the fairly high miles he`ll be doing. Yes they have a fair bit more depreciating to do but if he kept the car a while that would be somewhat offset.
I`m thinking though if he`s never really thought about getting a ferrari he`s obviously not bonkers about the marque and his money (purchase and upkeep) may be better spent elsewhere. A routine service whilst only being slightly ruinous is dwarfed by all the other items that will need replacing like track rod ends, discs, pads, clutch.
They are very reliable cars and speaking to owners; they absolutely love them. On average you`ll get a scary bill every 2 years, so not too bad. Only thing you would need to change is the wheels as the standard wheels on the earlier models are horrible.
I seriously considered one as a daily driver about 6 months ago, decided that if/when I go that way it will be a 2 seater v8/v12 with a diesel daily driver.
What did he think of the test drive?
I`m thinking though if he`s never really thought about getting a ferrari he`s obviously not bonkers about the marque and his money (purchase and upkeep) may be better spent elsewhere. A routine service whilst only being slightly ruinous is dwarfed by all the other items that will need replacing like track rod ends, discs, pads, clutch.
They are very reliable cars and speaking to owners; they absolutely love them. On average you`ll get a scary bill every 2 years, so not too bad. Only thing you would need to change is the wheels as the standard wheels on the earlier models are horrible.
I seriously considered one as a daily driver about 6 months ago, decided that if/when I go that way it will be a 2 seater v8/v12 with a diesel daily driver.
What did he think of the test drive?
go on suggest an MX5 Good grief they are talking about me!
So, no thanks to GT, 456, Bentley, Panamera etc etc
I really want the 612!
I understand about depreciation and can deal with it because I don't have to write a cheque for it.....at least not another one.
I understand about insurance costs but there are some benefits to being 53.
I understand that if I am heavy footed the car won't want to pass many petrol stations.
I would really really like to get a realistic estimate of servicing costs. The independents are quoting approx £1800 for a major including belts but there are no prices on main dealer websites.
Are 612 clutches fragile? Is the car going to cost me £2000 to £3000 per year to service or £8000 to £10,000?
Thanks for your help.
Cheers
So, no thanks to GT, 456, Bentley, Panamera etc etc
I really want the 612!
I understand about depreciation and can deal with it because I don't have to write a cheque for it.....at least not another one.
I understand about insurance costs but there are some benefits to being 53.
I understand that if I am heavy footed the car won't want to pass many petrol stations.
I would really really like to get a realistic estimate of servicing costs. The independents are quoting approx £1800 for a major including belts but there are no prices on main dealer websites.
Are 612 clutches fragile? Is the car going to cost me £2000 to £3000 per year to service or £8000 to £10,000?
Thanks for your help.
Cheers
LOL @ "they"!
You may get more detailed info on club scuderia. NO the clutches aren`t fragile, you`ll probably get 40k out of one easily. It`s the silly things that end up costing on the scag like, as I mentioned track rod ends, ball joints etc.
I`m totally with you on the 612, I love it. I don`t think the 612 will be below £50k for quite a while because of that divine V12. I`ve lost about £1000 a month on an M6 convertible, wish I`d gone the ferrari route really.
Have a look at this:
http://www.ferrariapproved.com/preowned-ferrari/Fe...
You may get more detailed info on club scuderia. NO the clutches aren`t fragile, you`ll probably get 40k out of one easily. It`s the silly things that end up costing on the scag like, as I mentioned track rod ends, ball joints etc.
I`m totally with you on the 612, I love it. I don`t think the 612 will be below £50k for quite a while because of that divine V12. I`ve lost about £1000 a month on an M6 convertible, wish I`d gone the ferrari route really.
Have a look at this:
http://www.ferrariapproved.com/preowned-ferrari/Fe...
GuyRobertson said:
Good grief they are talking about me!
I knew I'd get you on here eventually!
Glad to see you're resolved to re-enter the World of performance cars. Now, you couldn't convince my aged Pa to join you, could you? Even a £2k MX-5 would do for now!
I might be going past Meridien Modena again today if you want me to pop in and ask about servicing costs?
wineman02 said:
That is a fine look car!
It was indeed a very nice looking car. Was parked next to a brand new one, and you couldn't tell the difference. Not so sure about the grey paint/cream leather combination though, wasn't my style.The chap was very helpful though, reckons a cambelt service is only every 5 years on these, and as it can be done without taking the engine out, you'd get change from three grand.
He said an annual service would be around two thousand, and it only starts getting really expensive if things go wrong. Apparently in the last year this particular car (which they've known since new) has had in excess of £11,000 spent on it. God knows what was wrong, but it looks the business now. Good to see a proper manual as well - would keep the fuel economy down on a long run I guess.
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