New Improved MP4-12C
Discussion
Just read the article. Very bold of McL to revise the car before release. That said it can't have taken too much persuasion as the reports (except perhaps for the Top Gear film) didn't read/sound particularly inspiring.
Would have still had one over a 458 without the revisions though. This new improved car sounds even better. Fantastic...
Edit: revisions are expected to the steering feel and paddle shift rocker system weighting.
Would have still had one over a 458 without the revisions though. This new improved car sounds even better. Fantastic...
Edit: revisions are expected to the steering feel and paddle shift rocker system weighting.
Edited by anniesdad on Monday 18th July 21:22
anniesdad said:
Just read the article. Very bold of McL to revise the car before release. That said it can't have taken too much persuasion as the reports (except perhaps for the Top Gear film) didn't read/sound particularly inspiring.
Would have still had one over a 458 without the revisions though. This new improved car sounds even better. Fantastic...
Edit: revisions are expected to the steering feel and paddle shift rocker system weighting.
Maybe it was he revised version on he topgear program which explains he different conclusion?Would have still had one over a 458 without the revisions though. This new improved car sounds even better. Fantastic...
Edit: revisions are expected to the steering feel and paddle shift rocker system weighting.
Edited by anniesdad on Monday 18th July 21:22
anniesdad said:
Eh? McLaren are unlikely to offer a Porsche exhaust for their cars. 
If what you mean is can you buy a sports exhaust in the manner which you can from Porsche with PSE? Then the answer is, yes, there is an option for this.
Excellent - so can't understand what all the fuss is about saying the McLaren is boring and clinical to drive... If what you mean is can you buy a sports exhaust in the manner which you can from Porsche with PSE? Then the answer is, yes, there is an option for this.
What is the EXACT problem with the MP4-12C?
Making a supercar noisier is definitely a step in the right direction but in itself, is hardly enough to make a soulless car involving....I mean the 599 GTO sounds wonderful and I drove one recently with complete straight pipes but it's no more soulful than a Playstation. Yawn.
In defence of the McLaren, I can't see why people think the 458 is sooo magically soulful. It's just not. Inside the car it sounds bloody awful, and a fair bit of the visceral involvement of previous supercars has been stripped out and replaced with "comfort". Drive it slow and it's no more exciting than a 997TT. And that's the acid test, a great car is involving even when you're pootling around - you should never be able to forget what you're in.
The problem is, the 458 LOOKS beautiful (in the right colours) so I still want one. Let's see what McLaren come up with.
In defence of the McLaren, I can't see why people think the 458 is sooo magically soulful. It's just not. Inside the car it sounds bloody awful, and a fair bit of the visceral involvement of previous supercars has been stripped out and replaced with "comfort". Drive it slow and it's no more exciting than a 997TT. And that's the acid test, a great car is involving even when you're pootling around - you should never be able to forget what you're in.
The problem is, the 458 LOOKS beautiful (in the right colours) so I still want one. Let's see what McLaren come up with.
Murcielago_Boy said:
Making a supercar noisier is definitely a step in the right direction but in itself, is hardly enough to make a soulless car involving....I mean the 599 GTO sounds wonderful and I drove one recently with complete straight pipes but it's no more soulful than a Playstation. Yawn.
In defence of the McLaren, I can't see why people think the 458 is sooo magically soulful. It's just not. Inside the car it sounds bloody awful, and a fair bit of the visceral involvement of previous supercars has been stripped out and replaced with "comfort". Drive it slow and it's no more exciting than a 997TT. And that's the acid test, a great car is involving even when you're pootling around - you should never be able to forget what you're in.
The problem is, the 458 LOOKS beautiful (in the right colours) so I still want one. Let's see what McLaren come up with.
I don't think that people are saying that the 458 is soulful, just that it is more soulful than the 12c. I don't doubt that evo/car/et al would still put the GT3RS 3.8 in front of both, and the 4.0 GT3 in front of everything.In defence of the McLaren, I can't see why people think the 458 is sooo magically soulful. It's just not. Inside the car it sounds bloody awful, and a fair bit of the visceral involvement of previous supercars has been stripped out and replaced with "comfort". Drive it slow and it's no more exciting than a 997TT. And that's the acid test, a great car is involving even when you're pootling around - you should never be able to forget what you're in.
The problem is, the 458 LOOKS beautiful (in the right colours) so I still want one. Let's see what McLaren come up with.
I think this is all complete and utter nonsense. McLaren have disappointed me by listening to the bleating of self important journalists before the first deliveries of the car have even started....
The media has disappointed me by offering subjective nonsense about "soul" and "passion", which seems to really mean " the Mclaren is not noisy enough" .. Well, IMO, thats just plain silly.
If you want a noisy, traditional supercar then buy a Carlos Fandango red Ferrari, a chest wig and a latvian "model" for the passenger seat. Go enjoy yourself.
If you want a quiet, discrete but crushingly efficient car that will do everything demanded of it with margins of performance and safety that set new standards, get the McLaren.
The McLaren should NOT try to be a Ferrari. And the media should not demand that McLaren make it like a Ferrari either. There is no point, the market in noisy sports cars is covered.
If I were to buy a McLaren, I would want the induction gadget removed if it makes the car noisier inside.
The McLaren is not designed to be a poster car for masturbating teenage boys. The Mclaren is not designed with footballers or rap artists in mind. It is not meant to be so noisy that half the public on the average high street think you are a tool for driving it. There are plenty of cars that fulfill these roles. We should not expect the McLaren to be the same.
The media has disappointed me by offering subjective nonsense about "soul" and "passion", which seems to really mean " the Mclaren is not noisy enough" .. Well, IMO, thats just plain silly.
If you want a noisy, traditional supercar then buy a Carlos Fandango red Ferrari, a chest wig and a latvian "model" for the passenger seat. Go enjoy yourself.
If you want a quiet, discrete but crushingly efficient car that will do everything demanded of it with margins of performance and safety that set new standards, get the McLaren.
The McLaren should NOT try to be a Ferrari. And the media should not demand that McLaren make it like a Ferrari either. There is no point, the market in noisy sports cars is covered.
If I were to buy a McLaren, I would want the induction gadget removed if it makes the car noisier inside.
The McLaren is not designed to be a poster car for masturbating teenage boys. The Mclaren is not designed with footballers or rap artists in mind. It is not meant to be so noisy that half the public on the average high street think you are a tool for driving it. There are plenty of cars that fulfill these roles. We should not expect the McLaren to be the same.
toppstuff said:
I think this is all complete and utter nonsense. McLaren have disappointed me by listening to the bleating of self important journalists before the first deliveries of the car have even started....
The media has disappointed me by offering subjective nonsense about "soul" and "passion", which seems to really mean " the Mclaren is not noisy enough" .. Well, IMO, thats just plain silly.
If you want a noisy, traditional supercar then buy a Carlos Fandango red Ferrari, a chest wig and a latvian "model" for the passenger seat. Go enjoy yourself.
If you want a quiet, discrete but crushingly efficient car that will do everything demanded of it with margins of performance and safety that set new standards, get the McLaren.
The McLaren should NOT try to be a Ferrari. And the media should not demand that McLaren make it like a Ferrari either. There is no point, the market in noisy sports cars is covered.
If I were to buy a McLaren, I would want the induction gadget removed if it makes the car noisier inside.
The McLaren is not designed to be a poster car for masturbating teenage boys. The Mclaren is not designed with footballers or rap artists in mind. It is not meant to be so noisy that half the public on the average high street think you are a tool for driving it. There are plenty of cars that fulfill these roles. We should not expect the McLaren to be the same.
No but it is a super car, that's what they are selling. And that's what people with £200k are expecting to buy.The media has disappointed me by offering subjective nonsense about "soul" and "passion", which seems to really mean " the Mclaren is not noisy enough" .. Well, IMO, thats just plain silly.
If you want a noisy, traditional supercar then buy a Carlos Fandango red Ferrari, a chest wig and a latvian "model" for the passenger seat. Go enjoy yourself.
If you want a quiet, discrete but crushingly efficient car that will do everything demanded of it with margins of performance and safety that set new standards, get the McLaren.
The McLaren should NOT try to be a Ferrari. And the media should not demand that McLaren make it like a Ferrari either. There is no point, the market in noisy sports cars is covered.
If I were to buy a McLaren, I would want the induction gadget removed if it makes the car noisier inside.
The McLaren is not designed to be a poster car for masturbating teenage boys. The Mclaren is not designed with footballers or rap artists in mind. It is not meant to be so noisy that half the public on the average high street think you are a tool for driving it. There are plenty of cars that fulfill these roles. We should not expect the McLaren to be the same.
And a super car, including their old F1, have a great sountracks and soul.
Would you say that a Porsche GT3 is too loud and offensive? I don't think so, but it has one of finest sounding engines on the planet coupled with an outstanding driving experience.
JPF40 said:
No but it is a super car, that's what they are selling. And that's what people with £200k are expecting to buy.
And a super car, including their old F1, have a great sountracks and soul.
Would you say that a Porsche GT3 is too loud and offensive? I don't think so, but it has one of finest sounding engines on the planet coupled with an outstanding driving experience.
But Porsche also make a 140k Turbo S & they have no trouble shifting them.And a super car, including their old F1, have a great sountracks and soul.
Would you say that a Porsche GT3 is too loud and offensive? I don't think so, but it has one of finest sounding engines on the planet coupled with an outstanding driving experience.
There are many on here that would call that car souless/quiet/too easy etc, but the point is that there are many buyers who dont want loud brash cars.
IMO the MP4 is a tech tour de force that will have no trouble finding buyers & they cetainly dont need to copy Ferrari or listen to motoring hacks who rarely spend there hard earned on any of these cars!
ferdi p said:
But Porsche also make a 140k Turbo S & they have no trouble shifting them.
There are many on here that would call that car souless/quiet/too easy etc, but the point is that there are many buyers who dont want loud brash cars.
IMO the MP4 is a tech tour de force that will have no trouble finding buyers & they cetainly dont need to copy Ferrari or listen to motoring hacks who rarely spend there hard earned on any of these cars!
Fact is though that McLaren ARE targeting 458 buyers. Therefore I'm sure they're keen to please both parties.There are many on here that would call that car souless/quiet/too easy etc, but the point is that there are many buyers who dont want loud brash cars.
IMO the MP4 is a tech tour de force that will have no trouble finding buyers & they cetainly dont need to copy Ferrari or listen to motoring hacks who rarely spend there hard earned on any of these cars!
JPF40 said:
Fact is though that McLaren ARE targeting 458 buyers. Therefore I'm sure they're keen to please both parties.
I think the initial customers are certainly the same (I already have a 458 and am getting the MP4), but I think after the first year I think their real target customer is the Porsche Turbo buyerferdi p said:
But Porsche also make a 140k Turbo S & they have no trouble shifting them.
There are many on here that would call that car souless/quiet/too easy etc, but the point is that there are many buyers who dont want loud brash cars.
IMO the MP4 is a tech tour de force that will have no trouble finding buyers & they cetainly dont need to copy Ferrari or listen to motoring hacks who rarely spend there hard earned on any of these cars!
Much as I completely agree with your sentiments about Mclaren not needing to copy Ferrari or manufactures listening to motoring hacks, I have to tell you that this particular motoring hack does spend a substantial amount of his hard earned money on these cars.There are many on here that would call that car souless/quiet/too easy etc, but the point is that there are many buyers who dont want loud brash cars.
IMO the MP4 is a tech tour de force that will have no trouble finding buyers & they cetainly dont need to copy Ferrari or listen to motoring hacks who rarely spend there hard earned on any of these cars!
Lambo FirstBlood said:
Much as I completely agree with your sentiments about Mclaren not needing to copy Ferrari or manufactures listening to motoring hacks, I have to tell you that this particular motoring hack does spend a substantial amount of his hard earned money on these cars.
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