put these in order of RAWNESS
put these in order of RAWNESS
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jackal

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11,251 posts

313 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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F40, F50, 360, 355, 360cs, 430, Scuderia, 458, 348, Enzo ?

Drclarke

1,201 posts

204 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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How many people have driven all of them to comment?!!

Harry Riddles

270 posts

218 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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My mate would have driven all of those, maybe not the 348. Will have to ask him this question when I next see him. smile

Scrimper

155 posts

196 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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Definitely F40 first, F50 second, maybe 360CS next? Not sure about the others.

jackal

Original Poster:

11,251 posts

313 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

248 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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40, 50, 348, CS then the rest

fatboy69

9,424 posts

218 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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Driven 348, 355, MONDIAL8 (a horible car), 365GTB, BB512i, & the daddy of all supercars - the mighty F40.

To say that the F40 is raw is an understatement (IMO) however it is without doubt the finest car that i have ever driven.

F40 - awesome & a joy to drive.

pork911

7,365 posts

214 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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but is raw better than character? wink

leeGT2

311 posts

190 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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jackal said:
Nice review. I adore the Stradale. I remember the first time seeing one parked in Sloane St London. It was in red with the italien stripes going down the car. I stood there on the road, looking like a wierdo, staring at that car for about 10mins completely taken away by it.. First time I saw a scuderia was in Monaco, I must admitt it didnt give me the same shivers as the stradale. Maybe because the Stradale was the original track-road legal Ferrari and therefore it was all new to me... I ended up buying the scuderia probably because its more modern and very reliable, whereby the reliability on the Strad can be questionable according to reviews ive read on here. In my wish list of cars, I would definitely have a Strad too!

Murcielago_Boy

2,014 posts

270 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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jackal said:
F40, F50, 360, 355, 360cs, 430, Scuderia, 458, 348, Enzo ?
F50
F40
Enzo
360cs
Scuderia
355 & 348 equal
360
458 a distant last.

I wonder how many of you who have placed the F40 first have driven the F50. The ex 333sp engine in the F50 (derived from F1) is brutal to the point where Ferrari could barely homologate it for road use. The fact that its mounted directly to the tub is insane (Porsche said that was too hardcore a solution when they were developing Carrera GT and Ferrari chickened out themselves on the Enzo). Finally add in that the fact that its a stressed member to which the rear of the car is bolted and that the suspension is fully rose jointed and you've more or less got the most extreme RAW road car of modern times, possibly ever. I know thats all theory but my God, in practice too, its REAL. IMO the F40 is raw but the F50 is extreme and much much more so. The 50 is brutal. (though its true character is really only released with proper pipe).
What makes people think the F40 may be raw is the old-school driving experience, but thats a fault, not a virtue. And now 456mgt has swapped his tubi rear mufflers for the tubi straight through on his F50, I can safely say its the wildest maddest most extreme sound i've ever heard from a road car. Makes the F40 sound like a blender and I choose my words carefully.

458 is the most anodyne Ferrari i've ever driven. Positively dull at low rpm. Still want one because its just soo gorgeous.

Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Sunday 14th August 23:52


Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Sunday 14th August 23:55

Murcielago_Boy

2,014 posts

270 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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Drclarke said:
How many people have driven all of them to comment?!!
Sorry yes, ive driven all, and owned quite a few too.

fatboy69

9,424 posts

218 months

Monday 15th August 2011
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I havent driven an F50 (anyone want to give me a drive in one for my 53rd birthday next month?) although i have brought back a 288GTO from the factory.

The 288 was awesome - brutally quick when you mash the throttle to the carpet but what a car to drive.

Fabulous although i have always wondered how the F50 compared to the 288?

However having driven an F40 as well i have to say that i prefer, & it pains me to say this, the F40. I think that it is because the F40 is just more brutal than the 288 & to me it is just a raw, awesome brute of a car.

Is the F40 truly the greatest drivers car? Certainly in my experience i would have to say yes it is.

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

248 months

Monday 15th August 2011
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Murcielago_Boy said:
What makes people think the F40 may be raw is the old-school driving experience, but thats a fault, not a virtue.
Shirley the question of what does or doesn’t constitute "Raw" is subjective? for me the entire makeup of the 40 is a very primal and raw experience irrespective of speed, where the 50 is just that little bit more refined and easier to drive when going slowly, but as you've stated taking two factory standard cars, arguably the more brutal of the two on WOT . . even if only by a small margin.


ETA: If I had to get from A to B in the wet, I'd want to take a standard 458, with all its electronic toys, creature comforts and safety gizmos hehe


elms

1,954 posts

283 months

Monday 15th August 2011
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360CS
F50
F40
Enzo
Scuderia
348
430
355
458

jackal

Original Poster:

11,251 posts

313 months

Monday 15th August 2011
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elms said:
360CS
F50
F40
Enzo
Scuderia
348
430
355
458
eek

GFWilliams

4,949 posts

238 months

Monday 15th August 2011
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elms said:
360CS
F50
F40
Enzo
Scuderia
348
430
355
458
I'd say:

F50
F40
360CS
Enzo
Scud
355
430
458

Not been in the 348 so can't comment

WCZ

11,567 posts

225 months

Monday 15th August 2011
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F50
F40
360CS
Enzo
Scud
355
430
458

have driven all bar enzo,458 and 355

15HN

420 posts

258 months

Monday 15th August 2011
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how can a CS be more raw than an Enzo?

AmoCS

1,205 posts

250 months

Monday 15th August 2011
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I have an Enzo, CS, and F40. For me, the Scud was kind of ordinary compared to the CS. Yes, it's faster, but nothing else feels or sounds like the very raw CS. I doubt Ferrari will make another car that's as raw as the CS. Their best clients will not buy it!

by Bill S

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=...

DJRC

23,563 posts

267 months

Monday 15th August 2011
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The only raw cars of that lot for me are the 40 and 50. The rest are civilised road cars, bit of a nonsense to think otherwise really.