Gran truismo vs 612
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Swapped drives with mate's GT and my 612. Liked his enormously and giving v8 full beans sounded better. Interior architecture is beautiful. However his first drive of the 612 he hit his favourite corner at +30mph quicker than his GT would. He squealed, tyres squealed and it went round on rails! Had thought about changing cars but the drive coupled with the eye watering first service bill from maranello on the GT means 612 is a keeper.
Maranello will carry out the first service for just over £1,100 inclsive of all fluids, parts and VAT. Given that this is only due at 12,500 miles or two years whichever comes first, I think that is incredible value for money. I seriously doubt the 612 is cheaper.
I can't comment on the handling of the 612 but my GT-S will corner incredibly hard before letting go, huge reserves of grip and probably way more than you could realistically use on the road. 612 is no doubt a great car but I cannot get past the looks.
I can't comment on the handling of the 612 but my GT-S will corner incredibly hard before letting go, huge reserves of grip and probably way more than you could realistically use on the road. 612 is no doubt a great car but I cannot get past the looks.
What?...cant get past its looks?...find this thread a little odd?..how old is the 612?..the later one to ones are superb looking cars. I am on my second one now, to my eye they are hands down far better looking than the GT, they ooze style, and thats before you open the door. Inside the interior of a 612 with carbon fittings, glass roof etc etc etc feels about 100 times more special than a GT does. I owned a couple of massers, gransport,4200 etc and liked the interiors, when I went for a drive in a GT was very dissapointed with the more 'plastic' finsh, thought it had been dumbed down a bit to be honest.
Noise...have you driven a 612 one to one with the sports exhaust?...best sounding car I have ever owned, burbles on lift off, cracks & pops, simply stunning. Yes the Masser is very nice but again a point to the 612 on this one also.
Oh & lets not forget the 612 is also running the superfast 2 clutch gearbox out of the 599 also for super fast shifts.
Yes the 612 was £230k ish when new, so it should be feeling more special than the masser, which is does for me in every dept. Just come back from a 500 mile trip to scotland, been filmed on three mobiles I spotted, and had a lot of attention, so yes it does look good, and its not just me saying that.
Downside, 500 miles with junior in the back so it was a mix of driving, lot of motorways with cruise set at 85 ish, few blips here and there & its returned 15 mpg, not good..and I do expect expense at service too to be honest so I should imagine it will cost a lot more to run than the masser will.
Dont get me wrong I am not trying to be overly critical of the GT, I am a masser fan etc, but put a 612 one to one next to the GT and there is just no comparision for me at all. Put a 2004 612 on little wheels next to a 2010/11 masser GT with MC kit then yes thats a differant matter entirely
enough ranting now!
Noise...have you driven a 612 one to one with the sports exhaust?...best sounding car I have ever owned, burbles on lift off, cracks & pops, simply stunning. Yes the Masser is very nice but again a point to the 612 on this one also.
Oh & lets not forget the 612 is also running the superfast 2 clutch gearbox out of the 599 also for super fast shifts.
Yes the 612 was £230k ish when new, so it should be feeling more special than the masser, which is does for me in every dept. Just come back from a 500 mile trip to scotland, been filmed on three mobiles I spotted, and had a lot of attention, so yes it does look good, and its not just me saying that.
Downside, 500 miles with junior in the back so it was a mix of driving, lot of motorways with cruise set at 85 ish, few blips here and there & its returned 15 mpg, not good..and I do expect expense at service too to be honest so I should imagine it will cost a lot more to run than the masser will.
Dont get me wrong I am not trying to be overly critical of the GT, I am a masser fan etc, but put a 612 one to one next to the GT and there is just no comparision for me at all. Put a 2004 612 on little wheels next to a 2010/11 masser GT with MC kit then yes thats a differant matter entirely
enough ranting now!
15mpg on a motorway cruise.......ouch! I`ve been looking at the 612s for a while now and they are aging very well. You`re right the earlier models on smaller wheels look a little beached but the one to one spec models are gorgeous and good value for money. I looked at one in black at Dick Lovett in Swindon. Gorgeous car. Still 134k though and I can`t stomach the depreciation, could easily lose 30k a year for the next 2 years!!!!
To be fair I did 'blip' it a few times, and the problem is that the car sounds so good when changing down, you keep changing gear alot on the slower roads just for aural pleasure!.
Having said that I conclude that if I drove it like a baby, at 60/70 mph on a motorway etc I still think it would struggle to get much better, I see the published numbers are 13.8 combined & 19.6 extra urban...factoring how mythical published mpg numbers are in the real world, I think 10 -12 on a quick blat & 15-16 for cruises seems about it. ....gulp!
Having said that I conclude that if I drove it like a baby, at 60/70 mph on a motorway etc I still think it would struggle to get much better, I see the published numbers are 13.8 combined & 19.6 extra urban...factoring how mythical published mpg numbers are in the real world, I think 10 -12 on a quick blat & 15-16 for cruises seems about it. ....gulp!
Nope its not the dual clutch setup, its just got two plates, slightly confusing I must agree, this is the ferrari description:-
Double-plate clutch coupled with the engine
Like 12-cylinder ENZO FERRARI and Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano models, 612 Scaglietti shall be
equipped with a double-plate clutch, to reduce the rotating mass. The engine response is faster in
revolution changes, with a faster gearshifting and improved acceleration, with an increased driving
emotion. In addition, both flywheel and clutch are lighter and further reduce the car total weight
Full update release here:-
http://217.174.241.78/forum/attachment.php?attachm...
Double-plate clutch coupled with the engine
Like 12-cylinder ENZO FERRARI and Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano models, 612 Scaglietti shall be
equipped with a double-plate clutch, to reduce the rotating mass. The engine response is faster in
revolution changes, with a faster gearshifting and improved acceleration, with an increased driving
emotion. In addition, both flywheel and clutch are lighter and further reduce the car total weight
Full update release here:-
http://217.174.241.78/forum/attachment.php?attachm...
I agree the later ones do look much better but I still prefer the looks of a GT-S and the new MC Stradale is to my eyes simply stunning. Not putting down the 612 as a driving machine, as I said I have never driven one and suspect it gives a very different experience to a Maser but I also need to love the look of a car and I simply don't feel it with a 612.
I didn't know it had the 599 gearbox, which my GT-S also has and which is simply the best F1 style 'box I have used and imagine that mated to a Ferrari V12 would give a truly stunning drive. 15mpg doesn't surprise me for an engine like that and I guess is the price you pay for having one of the truly great engines up front. As an aside, I recently took the GT-S to Italy and then back via the South of France, over 2000 miles of fast motorway, town and traffic jam motoring and averaged 19.5mpg for the whole trip, which I didn't think was too bad and was certainly more than I was expecting.
I didn't know it had the 599 gearbox, which my GT-S also has and which is simply the best F1 style 'box I have used and imagine that mated to a Ferrari V12 would give a truly stunning drive. 15mpg doesn't surprise me for an engine like that and I guess is the price you pay for having one of the truly great engines up front. As an aside, I recently took the GT-S to Italy and then back via the South of France, over 2000 miles of fast motorway, town and traffic jam motoring and averaged 19.5mpg for the whole trip, which I didn't think was too bad and was certainly more than I was expecting.
chris5150 said:
I think we wil have to agree to differ on this one, Yes I am biased obviously but I find the 612 just gorgeous to look at, and the interior to me is on a differant level to the Masser entirely.
We differ on that one, think the interior of the 612 is pretty poor compared to even a 2005 Quattroporte. I like the 612 and have not regretted selling the QP to buy it, but the interior is very average. Also the 612 is shockingly noisy, granted I have a GTC but its the wind noise which is just incredible.Gassing Station | Supercar General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff