Huayra's rather violent gear change
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We have all heard loads of stories about how violent the Aventador's gear change can be is race mode, well having just watched David Testi (Great name for Pagani's Test Driver) giving the Huayra some beans it seems Pagani are also going for the "Emotional" gear change as well 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUa9X30HNpc&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUa9X30HNpc&fea...
Watched that and watched the agera r's run and have to say the agera definitely has a cleaner shift.
The Pagani drivers head was snapping forward and backwards quite violently on most changes whereas the R's was relatively smooth on absolute full throttle head was only snapping backwards.
Wonder if the pagani driver has it set up right????
Think it sounds pretty good though. Possibly a little skittish but a hard one to call based merely on a video where someone was mucking around with it.
The Pagani drivers head was snapping forward and backwards quite violently on most changes whereas the R's was relatively smooth on absolute full throttle head was only snapping backwards.
Wonder if the pagani driver has it set up right????
Think it sounds pretty good though. Possibly a little skittish but a hard one to call based merely on a video where someone was mucking around with it.
Well TB, with respect, I'm not sure quite what you expect when you put 700 bhp/1350 kg type maximum forward motion, stop, super quick gear change, take drive up again full pelt, all in a blink of an eye ...
DSG boxes are the answer, but they carry a serious weigh penalty so far, and as this box is well proven which is why HP has gone with it.
Yes, it's a stern change; a little finess from the driver would not go amiss, but that isn't his job at the moment ...
DSG boxes are the answer, but they carry a serious weigh penalty so far, and as this box is well proven which is why HP has gone with it.
Yes, it's a stern change; a little finess from the driver would not go amiss, but that isn't his job at the moment ...
ph123 said:
Well TB, with respect, I'm not sure quite what you expect when you put 700 bhp/1350 kg type maximum forward motion, stop, super quick gear change, take drive up again full pelt, all in a blink of an eye ...
DSG boxes are the answer, but they carry a serious weigh penalty so far, and as this box is well proven which is why HP has gone with it.
Yes, it's a stern change; a little finess from the driver would not go amiss, but that isn't his job at the moment ...
Ahh wait just looked agera r has a dual clutch.DSG boxes are the answer, but they carry a serious weigh penalty so far, and as this box is well proven which is why HP has gone with it.
Yes, it's a stern change; a little finess from the driver would not go amiss, but that isn't his job at the moment ...
So that explains the difference in violence of gearchange between the agera and pagani. But question remains which is.. is it possible to change gears smoothly and without neck damage in the pagani.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
is it possible to change gears smoothly and without neck damage in the pagani.
I'm sure it will be doable, the video is mainly going balls out for viewing purposes, I can change gear ferociously in my car if I'm giving it some, obviously I have 180bhp and the Hyura considerably more but I'm sure if driven slightly less exhuburantly it's possible. Anyway, the chap in the video looked fine afterwardsTallbut Buxomly said:
Jaykaybi said:
It's brilliant, ignore any doubts the video gives you.
End of thread.
You say that but is the shift actually as head snappingly harsh as it appears in that video?End of thread.
Jaykaybi said:
I would say, on full throttle assaults, it's less harsh than (for example) the Gallardo LP560's Corsa mode shifts. However, the Huayra is all kinds of refined if you want to play it cool, too.
Fair do's that's the answer i was looking for really.Good to hear. All well and good having a violent shift on full throttle but not so great when pootling around town.
ph123 said:
Well TB, with respect, I'm not sure quite what you expect when you put 700 bhp/1350 kg type maximum forward motion, stop, super quick gear change, take drive up again full pelt, all in a blink of an eye ...
DSG boxes are the answer, but they carry a serious weigh penalty so far, and as this box is well proven which is why HP has gone with it.
Yes, it's a stern change; a little finess from the driver would not go amiss, but that isn't his job at the moment ...
You certainly shouldn't expect anything like that burtality. 700hp comes with a fair bit of inertia and tends to smooth it's own shifts. It takes some very poor rev matching to create polar weight shifts demonstrated in the video. DSG boxes are the answer, but they carry a serious weigh penalty so far, and as this box is well proven which is why HP has gone with it.
Yes, it's a stern change; a little finess from the driver would not go amiss, but that isn't his job at the moment ...
One of my cars is 610whp (approx 700hp) and 1000kgs shifting through a sequential dog box. I easily shift with considerably less weight movement.
Murcielago_Boy said:
Pesty said:
I saw the metalic red one in switzerland. You two must be blind. Does not look good in matt.
But shiney red it blew everything else away looks wise.
Saw the metallic dark red car in a line up with the Ferrari F50, F40, Enzo, and a Zonda F. The Huayra looked MINGING. But shiney red it blew everything else away looks wise.
The F50 and the Enzo are damn ugly to my eyes.
The F40 though is a different matter.
I don't quite understand Redmist's point. '700hp/inertia/smooth itself'; losses me, can't see that I'm afraid.
I do think nevertheless, that this does obviously highlight a dimension that is rarely described or appreciated, in much of the media nowadays, and certainly impossible for simulators, TV viewers or pc game players to get.
And that is, just how 'violent' race cars, track cars and supercars are when an accomplished racing-driver exploits the available grip and all the other corners of the performance envelope.
The odd passenger ride occasionally makes mention; TV doesn't really relate the g-force pain and punishment the body goes through, much of it internal, when maxing out quick cars, particularly on circuits.
I can't passenger now, when an inexperience driver gives his version of giving a good GT car a pasting, because I can't anticipate when and how much he's going to change direction or brake/acceleration amounts he will use.
And of course, he has a lot of grip and maybe good handling to support him ...
One guy recently made me physically throw up. I couldn't hold my guts tights in anticipation of his next erratic/inconsistent/unexpected movement. (I lift my hat off to those manufacturer-appointed 'driving' experts for what they have to live through).
But my main point is that, a light powerful aero-kitted car, with big brakes and big tyre footprints, can consistently nowadays generate forces so violent as to be so uncomfortable for passengers for more than a couple of minutes.
Rally navigators/co-drivers get used to it like fairground riders I'm told, along with pace notes bouncing around in another sickness inducing blur before their eyes. Quite a skill.
I do think nevertheless, that this does obviously highlight a dimension that is rarely described or appreciated, in much of the media nowadays, and certainly impossible for simulators, TV viewers or pc game players to get.
And that is, just how 'violent' race cars, track cars and supercars are when an accomplished racing-driver exploits the available grip and all the other corners of the performance envelope.
The odd passenger ride occasionally makes mention; TV doesn't really relate the g-force pain and punishment the body goes through, much of it internal, when maxing out quick cars, particularly on circuits.
I can't passenger now, when an inexperience driver gives his version of giving a good GT car a pasting, because I can't anticipate when and how much he's going to change direction or brake/acceleration amounts he will use.
And of course, he has a lot of grip and maybe good handling to support him ...
One guy recently made me physically throw up. I couldn't hold my guts tights in anticipation of his next erratic/inconsistent/unexpected movement. (I lift my hat off to those manufacturer-appointed 'driving' experts for what they have to live through).
But my main point is that, a light powerful aero-kitted car, with big brakes and big tyre footprints, can consistently nowadays generate forces so violent as to be so uncomfortable for passengers for more than a couple of minutes.
Rally navigators/co-drivers get used to it like fairground riders I'm told, along with pace notes bouncing around in another sickness inducing blur before their eyes. Quite a skill.
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