Scud performance ?
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Passing the time with various wandering thoughts as you do ... and I was wondering how the straight line speed of the scud compares with the big boys such as the CGT, Enzo, Zonda etc.
I've seen the figures but they only give you a small part of the picture. Is the scuderia in genuine supercar territory in terms of pure straight line acceleration or is it most definietly and obviously occupying a lower league some way beneath the likes of the above ?
I've seen the figures but they only give you a small part of the picture. Is the scuderia in genuine supercar territory in terms of pure straight line acceleration or is it most definietly and obviously occupying a lower league some way beneath the likes of the above ?
According to:
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Ferrari-0-60-mph-Time...
2002 Ferrari Enzo 0-60 mph 3.3 Quarter mile 11.2
2008 Ferrari F430 Scuderia 0-60 mph 3.5 Quarter mile 11.5
I doubt anyone would be able to tell the difference from the driver's seat.
http://www.zeroto60times.com/Ferrari-0-60-mph-Time...
2002 Ferrari Enzo 0-60 mph 3.3 Quarter mile 11.2
2008 Ferrari F430 Scuderia 0-60 mph 3.5 Quarter mile 11.5
I doubt anyone would be able to tell the difference from the driver's seat.
It depends IMO.
One drive in the 16M totally put my 670SV in the shade as a driving experience. It made the Lambo feel ponderous, if that makes any sense at al!
However, against the GTO, well I didn't drive the 16M for months. It can't match the bigger car for straight line performance, nor noise - you're talking v12 with fabulous induction sound as well as exhaust note. In the twisty stuff they're chalk and cheese, but again for me the bigger car is more exciting with such a pointy front end and the ability to break traction relatively easily. However. Then I drove the 16M again and it was fabulous, less noisy but still very much so, and such a lightness and delicacy to the steering. Actually now it is much more difficult to know which car to drive.
So in summary, maybe the 16M wouldn't initially feel like it would hold its own but give it some time and it reveals its depths. Ultimately, the bigger car is 11/10 and the 16M is 10/10.
Hope that helps?
One drive in the 16M totally put my 670SV in the shade as a driving experience. It made the Lambo feel ponderous, if that makes any sense at al!
However, against the GTO, well I didn't drive the 16M for months. It can't match the bigger car for straight line performance, nor noise - you're talking v12 with fabulous induction sound as well as exhaust note. In the twisty stuff they're chalk and cheese, but again for me the bigger car is more exciting with such a pointy front end and the ability to break traction relatively easily. However. Then I drove the 16M again and it was fabulous, less noisy but still very much so, and such a lightness and delicacy to the steering. Actually now it is much more difficult to know which car to drive.
So in summary, maybe the 16M wouldn't initially feel like it would hold its own but give it some time and it reveals its depths. Ultimately, the bigger car is 11/10 and the 16M is 10/10.
Hope that helps?
Found this:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/comparisons/porsche_car...
0-250kph times within 2 secs of eachother so the scud isn't too shabby !
http://www.fastestlaps.com/comparisons/porsche_car...
0-250kph times within 2 secs of eachother so the scud isn't too shabby !
IMO it needs to be driven pretty hard to feel really fast.
Certainly a very fast car but slower in every way than its predecessor in my garage, a 590 hp GTR.
Not just off the line or on a track, but in rolling acceleration, ability to deal with less than perfect traction and transmission efficiency.
Its all about torque and any 8500 rpm N/A motor lacks that sheer mid-range oomph.
Scuderia is a wonderful emotive thing no question, just slower in every real way than a modestly fettled Datsun
Certainly a very fast car but slower in every way than its predecessor in my garage, a 590 hp GTR.
Not just off the line or on a track, but in rolling acceleration, ability to deal with less than perfect traction and transmission efficiency.
Its all about torque and any 8500 rpm N/A motor lacks that sheer mid-range oomph.
Scuderia is a wonderful emotive thing no question, just slower in every real way than a modestly fettled Datsun
Diamond blue said:
IMO it needs to be driven pretty hard to feel really fast.
Certainly a very fast car but slower in every way than its predecessor in my garage, a 590 hp GTR.
Not just off the line or on a track, but in rolling acceleration, ability to deal with less than perfect traction and transmission efficiency.
Its all about torque and any 8500 rpm N/A motor lacks that sheer mid-range oomph.
Scuderia is a wonderful emotive thing no question, just slower in every real way than a modestly fettled Datsun
Fortunately figures alone do not define a car - otherwise we'd all be driving top fuel dragsters Certainly a very fast car but slower in every way than its predecessor in my garage, a 590 hp GTR.
Not just off the line or on a track, but in rolling acceleration, ability to deal with less than perfect traction and transmission efficiency.
Its all about torque and any 8500 rpm N/A motor lacks that sheer mid-range oomph.
Scuderia is a wonderful emotive thing no question, just slower in every real way than a modestly fettled Datsun
Bo_apex said:
Fortunately figures alone do not define a car - otherwise we'd all be driving top fuel dragsters
Well, sort of, but I get your point.Speed is not everything by any means. How it goes about it is generally more important than actually whether it could beat it on a track or drag strip.
What it looks like, How it makes you feel how much sheer pleasure it can give you, all more important tbh
At this level of performance everythings too fast to use on the road for more than a few seconds anyway and no GTR is ever going to sound like a Ferrari V8 or especially a V12 (Even if it is disappearing into the distance at the time (Likely) )
jackal said:
Passing the time with various wandering thoughts as you do ... and I was wondering how the straight line speed of the scud compares with the big boys such as the CGT, Enzo, Zonda etc.
I've seen the figures but they only give you a small part of the picture. Is the scuderia in genuine supercar territory in terms of pure straight line acceleration or is it most definietly and obviously occupying a lower league some way beneath the likes of the above ?
Never thought I'd see the day when jackal became a SLJI've seen the figures but they only give you a small part of the picture. Is the scuderia in genuine supercar territory in terms of pure straight line acceleration or is it most definietly and obviously occupying a lower league some way beneath the likes of the above ?
mattdaniels said:
jackal said:
Passing the time with various wandering thoughts as you do ... and I was wondering how the straight line speed of the scud compares with the big boys such as the CGT, Enzo, Zonda etc.
I've seen the figures but they only give you a small part of the picture. Is the scuderia in genuine supercar territory in terms of pure straight line acceleration or is it most definietly and obviously occupying a lower league some way beneath the likes of the above ?
Never thought I'd see the day when jackal became a SLJI've seen the figures but they only give you a small part of the picture. Is the scuderia in genuine supercar territory in terms of pure straight line acceleration or is it most definietly and obviously occupying a lower league some way beneath the likes of the above ?
jackal said:
its all about motorway sliproads kids ....
The only time I drove a Scud was on the San Bernardino pass in Switzerland. You can keep your sliproads.I think about that drive often. What a car. Whether it is called a supercar in some Top Trumps game is completely immaterial to me. It was a fabulous piece of machinery that was seriously quick and woke up half the country. What more can you ask for?
Onno
Ive had a few drag races in my scud against a mate of mine who has a GTO from about 40 -150 mph. I was rather surprised that at lower speeds up to about 100/120 mph, there was not much in it at all. Of course as the speed rises, GTO pulls away but only very slowly. Round the twisties, I had no problem keeping up. I found that I was braking later than the GTO, as the scuderia is alot lighter. When you sit in a GTO, the car feels alot quicker than the scud, I think its the V12 that gives it the far beefier feel. However, from what ive experienced there is not that much in it and on a circuit with many bends, im sure the scud would be ahead...
leeGT2 said:
Ive had a few drag races in my scud against a mate of mine who has a GTO from about 40 -150 mph. I was rather surprised that at lower speeds up to about 100/120 mph, there was not much in it at all. Of course as the speed rises, GTO pulls away but only very slowly. Round the twisties, I had no problem keeping up. I found that I was braking later than the GTO, as the scuderia is alot lighter. When you sit in a GTO, the car feels alot quicker than the scud, I think its the V12 that gives it the far beefier feel. However, from what ive experienced there is not that much in it and on a circuit with many bends, im sure the scud would be ahead...
One word -- TorqueOut of interest Lee, how in real give and take driving do you think it compares to the GT2? I ask because in recorded figures (With Ferrari press cars admittedly , ahem, ) they're closely matched.
Much as I love my Scuderia it doesn't really feel like a 7.5s to 100mph car.
There's several drawbacks to turbos no question but modern virtually lag free installations really only lose out in that "on the cam" charge to the red line and NA cars generally sound better.
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