Modern cars with least depreciation or appreciation??
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Just trying to see whats out there between £50k-£150k that has the best potentials to appreciate. I wouldn't want to call it an investment but at least not having to worry dropping in value.
Back in the day I see Ferrari 360 starting at low 30k ,obviously we are talking about double that or more now.
LP560 are not dropping but they are not really creeping up neither. I think the LP570 or the specials LP550 are going up in value quite well.
Do Continental GT hold their value at all? and how about Aston Martins?
If porsche, what models work best?
Toying the idea of what to get next
Back in the day I see Ferrari 360 starting at low 30k ,obviously we are talking about double that or more now.
LP560 are not dropping but they are not really creeping up neither. I think the LP570 or the specials LP550 are going up in value quite well.
Do Continental GT hold their value at all? and how about Aston Martins?
If porsche, what models work best?
Toying the idea of what to get next
What looks good value at the moment......McLaren 12cs - gap to equivalent 458 is about £40k...this will narrow (either 458 down or 12c up)
everything else I would have suggested has already moved up
I was going to say 997.2 GT3 but they are over £100k and might no longer hold the title of the last manual GT3 ...
everything else I would have suggested has already moved up
I was going to say 997.2 GT3 but they are over £100k and might no longer hold the title of the last manual GT3 ...
A McLaren 12C spider in any volcano colour, I went through the same decision back in July and I then bought one, originally I was thinking Gallardo, 458 etc but when you compare anything for £150k to a 12c spider then nothing comes close.
I bought(and still own) an early DB9 with full Aston history 18 months ago and only 13k miles and it has only increased in value by a few thousand- nothing compared to Ferraris - maybe they have no interest? Or maybe they are under valued????
I bought(and still own) an early DB9 with full Aston history 18 months ago and only 13k miles and it has only increased in value by a few thousand- nothing compared to Ferraris - maybe they have no interest? Or maybe they are under valued????
Buy anything with a N/A engine and manual gearbox and you will fair well over the next 5-10 years, if your looking short term then you are playing a guessing game that can go either way depending on supply demand for make and model. Too many 458 speciale on the market and the price correction will come if not already happening. Stuff like a 360 and 430 have gone up but probably unlikely to keep going as they are not that great and when you see a brand new r8 for 140 that is very fast and new or a 430 at similar money and is 8-9 years old you wouldn't expect someone to pick the 430.
A 599 looks promising as its a v12 and at a good price still room for growth, unlikely to go down. Ferrari has more speak than other Marques and always going to be hold better value than a lambo, too many special variants of the gallardo to really be special imho.
12c represents fantastic value for money at present being anywhere from £100k- £140k coupe & £140k-£150k spider. The spider being the lower number produced will fair best and as already said comparing to a 458 spider saves you £30-60k.
A 599 looks promising as its a v12 and at a good price still room for growth, unlikely to go down. Ferrari has more speak than other Marques and always going to be hold better value than a lambo, too many special variants of the gallardo to really be special imho.
12c represents fantastic value for money at present being anywhere from £100k- £140k coupe & £140k-£150k spider. The spider being the lower number produced will fair best and as already said comparing to a 458 spider saves you £30-60k.
Edited by acr_nick on Friday 2nd September 19:48
Would it not be more sensible to identify the cars you would like to own and then maybe take value expectations into account as the last criterion to choose between cars you want? I think there is a good chance all cars will drop in the short term, some quite substantially given the value appreciation over the last 3ish years - I would therefore make sure you really want to drive the car you own.
I would think that there is quite an experience gap between say a 996 GT3RS and a 599 HGTE etc....
I personally like Ferrari V12 cars and would look at any of those as a long term proposition. If you like mid-engined, then a 512TR, if front with manual then a 550, if you want a ballistic engine then a 599. Or wait a little until the F12M is announced and a F12 might fall into your price bracket (although if you up to upper budget end a little LHD cars are nearly there). All of these have been built in high numbers, so are a little more risky from a value proposition imo.
If you want to track the car / want a light weight car and stick with Ferrari, I would look at 360 Challenge Stradale or 430 Scuderia (CS being the one I would think is historically more relevant and therefore more likely to hold/appreciate)
If you want a manual and track/lightweight, I think a 996 GT3RS or if in budget (probably not in UK) a 997.2 GT3RS (996 being very rare compared to all other cars on my list and the last truly analogue Porsche from what I gather - no pasm, not sure if it even has psm)
Don't know enough about Astons to have a strong opinion, but the V12 Vantage and DBS (manual) certainly look like good buys to me
Have not read all posts on this thread, but am sure there is one by Rambo Lambo somewhere - I generally agree with him that the first McLarens might appreciate at some point as they might be seen as the carsthat caused an even more pronounced shift towards electronics ruling the car driving experience. also a lot of the youtube watching children might identify with them as the first cars that got them into the whole car thing thanks to the shmees of this world
I think all of the above cars will hold their level in the long term (say 10 years), but might experience a short term correction if the market adjusts due to external factors and the "investors" leave. I do think Ferraris and GT Porsches are the savest plave to put money as those are the established car brands that will always be sought after
I would think that there is quite an experience gap between say a 996 GT3RS and a 599 HGTE etc....
I personally like Ferrari V12 cars and would look at any of those as a long term proposition. If you like mid-engined, then a 512TR, if front with manual then a 550, if you want a ballistic engine then a 599. Or wait a little until the F12M is announced and a F12 might fall into your price bracket (although if you up to upper budget end a little LHD cars are nearly there). All of these have been built in high numbers, so are a little more risky from a value proposition imo.
If you want to track the car / want a light weight car and stick with Ferrari, I would look at 360 Challenge Stradale or 430 Scuderia (CS being the one I would think is historically more relevant and therefore more likely to hold/appreciate)
If you want a manual and track/lightweight, I think a 996 GT3RS or if in budget (probably not in UK) a 997.2 GT3RS (996 being very rare compared to all other cars on my list and the last truly analogue Porsche from what I gather - no pasm, not sure if it even has psm)
Don't know enough about Astons to have a strong opinion, but the V12 Vantage and DBS (manual) certainly look like good buys to me
Have not read all posts on this thread, but am sure there is one by Rambo Lambo somewhere - I generally agree with him that the first McLarens might appreciate at some point as they might be seen as the carsthat caused an even more pronounced shift towards electronics ruling the car driving experience. also a lot of the youtube watching children might identify with them as the first cars that got them into the whole car thing thanks to the shmees of this world
I think all of the above cars will hold their level in the long term (say 10 years), but might experience a short term correction if the market adjusts due to external factors and the "investors" leave. I do think Ferraris and GT Porsches are the savest plave to put money as those are the established car brands that will always be sought after
key words for your search: analogue drive experience, NA engine, 3-pedals, passive dampers, passive aero, RWD, 2-seat and "low" numbers
As other mentioned, the "modern" old school cars not only will provide an awesome drive experience but also will be increasingly rarer to find as "new-buys" in the years to come. These cars are also likely to cost less to maintain, in the long run.
Much easier to find cars that are likely to maintain stronger residuals than cars that will appreciate, once considering for maintenance too. So, in case you look for the former, I would consider Aston Martin too (DBS/>=5-year old 4.7 Vantage, all in manuals. I would wait a bit to see the impact of the new V12S Manual on the original V12 Manual residuals.
As other mentioned, the "modern" GT3 Porsches and Ferraris, generally, have increased a lot in value over the last 2-3 years, so I would look at the "pre-appreciation" price-levels, just so you know what you can expect value-wise should a price-correction happens.
As other mentioned, the "modern" old school cars not only will provide an awesome drive experience but also will be increasingly rarer to find as "new-buys" in the years to come. These cars are also likely to cost less to maintain, in the long run.
Much easier to find cars that are likely to maintain stronger residuals than cars that will appreciate, once considering for maintenance too. So, in case you look for the former, I would consider Aston Martin too (DBS/>=5-year old 4.7 Vantage, all in manuals. I would wait a bit to see the impact of the new V12S Manual on the original V12 Manual residuals.
As other mentioned, the "modern" GT3 Porsches and Ferraris, generally, have increased a lot in value over the last 2-3 years, so I would look at the "pre-appreciation" price-levels, just so you know what you can expect value-wise should a price-correction happens.
FFM said:
key words for your search: analogue drive experience, NA engine, 3-pedals, passive dampers, passive aero, RWD, 2-seat and "low" numbers
As other mentioned, the "modern" old school cars not only will provide an awesome drive experience but also will be increasingly rarer to find as "new-buys" in the years to come. These cars are also likely to cost less to maintain, in the long run.
+1As other mentioned, the "modern" old school cars not only will provide an awesome drive experience but also will be increasingly rarer to find as "new-buys" in the years to come. These cars are also likely to cost less to maintain, in the long run.
Things like below provide an immersive experience and will appreciate gradually over the long term, helping to offset running costs
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
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