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Very childish question I realise... I watched a video on the latest McLaren earlier and it's performance figures are staggering. Has anyone meet one of the latest supercars on the road whilst out riding and had a play?
For info I genuinely never engage in these sort of antics, I think hot hatches etc might have been trying to 'race' on ocassion as I've continued about my business but the performance difference is such it's actually hard to tell.
Any more reckless types got any good stories?
For info I genuinely never engage in these sort of antics, I think hot hatches etc might have been trying to 'race' on ocassion as I've continued about my business but the performance difference is such it's actually hard to tell.
Any more reckless types got any good stories?
Supercars are really, really fast these days and the electronics lets even marginally talented drivers access it.
However, a £3k superbike will still be more or less as fast as the latest supercar up to about 150 mph in a straight line. In terms of who is quicker on the road - without traffic the supercar would be but as soon as there is any overtaking to do the bike would have the advantage in terms of road space taken up and visibility of the road ahead when planning an overtake.
Don't forget supercars are a really rich man's game these days, you need very deep pockets to run one.
However, a £3k superbike will still be more or less as fast as the latest supercar up to about 150 mph in a straight line. In terms of who is quicker on the road - without traffic the supercar would be but as soon as there is any overtaking to do the bike would have the advantage in terms of road space taken up and visibility of the road ahead when planning an overtake.
Don't forget supercars are a really rich man's game these days, you need very deep pockets to run one.
I've had a few plays, but mostly been disappointed. Most supercar owners don't seem up for it, and who can blame them. The only time I've genuinely laughed out loud was back in 1995/6 (can't remember which) when I was on my ZXR750J2 and came across a McLaren F1 on a local dual carriageway. The guy driving it was up for a play, and he promptly buggered off into the distance. The sound and spectacle still sticks in my mind. Fantastic!
Given a reasonably competent driver on an open road with good visibility I'd wager that most folk on bikes wouldn't see which way the (super) car had gone, I've been left behind by a few cars on twisty roads whilst on the bike in sketchy conditions, simply because I'm not prepared to push *that* hard not knowing what the grip levels are like round the next bend.
trickywoo said:
Supercars are really, really fast these days and the electronics lets even marginally talented drivers access it.
However, a £3k superbike will still be more or less as fast as the latest supercar up to about 150 mph in a straight line. In terms of who is quicker on the road - without traffic the supercar would be but as soon as there is any overtaking to do the bike would have the advantage in terms of road space taken up and visibility of the road ahead when planning an overtake.
Don't forget supercars are a really rich man's game these days, you need very deep pockets to run one.
From a standing start, just about any supercar with traction control will leave a superbike for dead; the biggest hassle in launching a bike is keeping the front down, supercars generally don't need to worry about that.However, a £3k superbike will still be more or less as fast as the latest supercar up to about 150 mph in a straight line. In terms of who is quicker on the road - without traffic the supercar would be but as soon as there is any overtaking to do the bike would have the advantage in terms of road space taken up and visibility of the road ahead when planning an overtake.
Don't forget supercars are a really rich man's game these days, you need very deep pockets to run one.
You're also going to find that the grip levels of a supercar are far better than a bike so a reasonably confident driver will outbrake you and outsteer you in the twisty stuff.
It's also generally a lot less painful to stuff a supercar in a hedge than a superbike if it goes wrong...
Rubin215 said:
From a standing start, just about any supercar with traction control will leave a superbike for dead; the biggest hassle in launching a bike is keeping the front down, supercars generally don't need to worry about that.
Do you watch youtube? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ4_PHczmgE is just one example of many.Launching a superbike takes a lot more skill than a car though and I'll agree that average Joe in each the car will likely win. However, any 1000cc sports bike of the last 10 years will do a standing quarter in the 10 seconds bracket which is still faster than all but the most exotic supercars.
I had fun with a GTR and it was fun. guy gave me a thumbs up when I was turning around to see if he was going to go any faster. up to 70MPH of course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs1zcRq4ZAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs1zcRq4ZAY
I've chased a couple super bikes before in the car, and there are 2 issues that will make you back off:
1) very easy to accelerate faster into the back of a bike and take them out
2) stones that get flicked up by the back tyre
At the Ring, I've had a play with plenty of bikes at proper speed, and apart from the risk of different lines taken, you can be far more committed in the car through the corners. On the straights (e.g., Schwedenkreutz), deep in 3 digit speeds, there is very little in it and you can accelerate harder and for longer in a car, before the next braking zone. Follow someone like Andy Carlile, however, and he can ride away from you with no traffic due to sheer commitment and maintaining a higher average speed.
1) very easy to accelerate faster into the back of a bike and take them out
2) stones that get flicked up by the back tyre
At the Ring, I've had a play with plenty of bikes at proper speed, and apart from the risk of different lines taken, you can be far more committed in the car through the corners. On the straights (e.g., Schwedenkreutz), deep in 3 digit speeds, there is very little in it and you can accelerate harder and for longer in a car, before the next braking zone. Follow someone like Andy Carlile, however, and he can ride away from you with no traffic due to sheer commitment and maintaining a higher average speed.
The problem with a sport bike, is you can't brake or corner at anything like the pace of a decent supercar.
In a straight line, most supercars will launch much better then a sports bike, but once you're up and running, a sports bike will generally be faster until you start seeing silly speeds when the BHP of the car will give it a decent advantage
In a straight line, most supercars will launch much better then a sports bike, but once you're up and running, a sports bike will generally be faster until you start seeing silly speeds when the BHP of the car will give it a decent advantage
graeme4130 said:
The problem with a sport bike, is you can't brake or corner at anything like the pace of a decent supercar.
In a straight line, most supercars will launch much better then a sports bike, but once you're up and running, a sports bike will generally be faster until you start seeing silly speeds when the BHP of the car will give it a decent advantage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IteniLcLImUIn a straight line, most supercars will launch much better then a sports bike, but once you're up and running, a sports bike will generally be faster until you start seeing silly speeds when the BHP of the car will give it a decent advantage
I disagree - Bikes lose on the brakes, for sure and fast changes of direction. Through the corners though (see vid) the Bike is every bit as good as the McLaren 12C (nearly! Haha - just watched it again.). It also gets annihilated on the straights.
Much easier to push a car to the limit than a bike though - the driver/rider is the biggest factor by far.
Edited by Mike600F on Wednesday 8th March 13:43
supercommuter said:
bennyboysvuk said:
According to the web, the McLaren P1 manages:
0-62mph: 2.8secs
0-124mph: 6.8secs
0-186mph: 16.5secs
Standing quarter: 9.8secs at 152mph
That's marginally quicker than my 09 R1, but there's not a huge amount in it.
Difference is can you launch your R1 in the quoted 0-62 time?0-62mph: 2.8secs
0-124mph: 6.8secs
0-186mph: 16.5secs
Standing quarter: 9.8secs at 152mph
That's marginally quicker than my 09 R1, but there's not a huge amount in it.
A fat businessman with little experience will achieve within a fraction of a second of the quoted 2.8 seconds with launch control etc.
Mike600F said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IteniLcLImU
I disagree - Bikes lose on the brakes, for sure and fast changes of direction. Through the corners though (see vid) the Bike is every bit as good as the McLaren 12C (nearly! Haha - just watched it again.). It also gets annihilated on the straights.
Much easier to push a car to the limit than a bike though - the driver/rider is the biggest factor by far.
Fortunate enough to own both the car & bike in that video and agree it's the driver/rider that makes the difference to any lap-times/race. I do think, with a "normal" pilot, the Macca is as fast (if not faster) than most bikes even in a straight line - really does take your breath away under hard acceleration I disagree - Bikes lose on the brakes, for sure and fast changes of direction. Through the corners though (see vid) the Bike is every bit as good as the McLaren 12C (nearly! Haha - just watched it again.). It also gets annihilated on the straights.
Much easier to push a car to the limit than a bike though - the driver/rider is the biggest factor by far.
Edited by Mike600F on Wednesday 8th March 13:43
The answer is, 'who knows?'. Supercars seem to be the preserve of the middle to retirement age and as such, are typically driven at a stultifying pace.
Now, bikers of all ages are more likely to make use of their performance hence why we are, as a group, the last lot of road users likely to be seen going quickly anywhere.
Now, bikers of all ages are more likely to make use of their performance hence why we are, as a group, the last lot of road users likely to be seen going quickly anywhere.
Maybe most supercar owners don't want to try it on ? Most of us can blast off the line on the bike time, after time, after time with no real issue. How many times can most supercars do full bore starts ? The last time I saw an Italian exotica do a full traffic light grand prix the very strong smell of burnt clutch suggested not many ?
duggan said:
Mike600F said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IteniLcLImU
I disagree - Bikes lose on the brakes, for sure and fast changes of direction. Through the corners though (see vid) the Bike is every bit as good as the McLaren 12C (nearly! Haha - just watched it again.). It also gets annihilated on the straights.
Much easier to push a car to the limit than a bike though - the driver/rider is the biggest factor by far.
Fortunate enough to own both the car & bike in that video and agree it's the driver/rider that makes the difference to any lap-times/race. I do think, with a "normal" pilot, the Macca is as fast (if not faster) than most bikes even in a straight line - really does take your breath away under hard acceleration I disagree - Bikes lose on the brakes, for sure and fast changes of direction. Through the corners though (see vid) the Bike is every bit as good as the McLaren 12C (nearly! Haha - just watched it again.). It also gets annihilated on the straights.
Much easier to push a car to the limit than a bike though - the driver/rider is the biggest factor by far.
Edited by Mike600F on Wednesday 8th March 13:43
The trouble is, on the road, very few supercar owners want to play. The only ones in recent years that I've had a proper play with were a modified RS6 Audi, Ferrari 430 and a Nissan GTR. If the driver has a bit of skill and some balls, they seem to keep roughly with bikes on the road whilst there is no traffic as they can be more committed, but are slower where the roads are clearer to see, but the moment there is traffic or anything that holds them up, you just f
k off.I'd have a supercar if I had the inclination and spare cash, but having had a few quick cars in the past, the opportunities to exploit the bike's performance are far more frequent, so ultimately, other than on track, a quick car leaves me cold or frustrated.
The hardest supercar I've had to shake was a very well driven Gallardo SV he was driving it well & hard the braking was phenomenal what I'd made up in a short straight he ate up on the anchors but when we got to the twisty stuff the car's width & oncoming traffic put paid to his pace.
But in most cases it doesn't happen I have a couple of mates who got eaten alive by a Zonda as the passed heathrow.
But in most cases it doesn't happen I have a couple of mates who got eaten alive by a Zonda as the passed heathrow.
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