Vmax results- useable supercars

[200Plus Club]

Had a very enjoyable day at VMax on saturday, admiring the stunning cars and having a go in a few. the thought occurred to me, obviously, of all the cars there on the day, for someone with a limited budget of say £300k, what was the performance bargain, and which was most useable?
these were the top speeds /cars i saw
997 turbo (ES modified) 223mph
GTR- modified 220mph
9e 911 turbo 216mph
DME F10 M5 207mph
MSL Mercedes 207mph
997 Turbo 207mph

all the above are easily bought and tuneable for way under budget. the fastest stock type cars i saw were then such as
Ferrari F12 207mph, Ferrari 488 202mph.

a beautiful Koenigsegg 1:1 rocked up and ran 216mph, which for £1m+ it should do, and an amazing Huayra parked up and never ran, (assume stone chip damage a major concern).

much as i'd love one of the hypercars, realistically its never gonna happen, and if you had a million pounds to spend would you buy an Egg or Huayra when in all reality you would struggle to use it in the UK other than at a V max, and wouldnt be able to press it hard on country lanes etc because of the value/rarity and loss of value through mileage?

in all honesty a £50k 911 turbo with £20-50k spent on it beat or got close to all the supercars as did a GTR, both of which you could thrash the nuts off without major worry.

would be cool to be in a position to spend £300k on a new Ferrari, or £1m on a hypercar, but in real terms it would just be a (very nice) ornament.

[Scrimper]

Interesting stats and thanks for sharing. I'm not sure owners of supercars need to vmax them in order to get a lot of enjoyment and satisfaction from driving them on UK roads. Whilst many cars are very wide for UK B roads they can still be driven enthusiastically and not just be ornaments. A tuned car with the power to match a supercar isn't a particularly sensible thing to "thrash the nuts off" on a UK road but if the only goal is to experience the kinds of speeds as seen at VMAX I agree it is the cheapest way of experiencing to drive that fast and that itself is a thrill few would legally have...unless you do an autobahn holiday!

[epom]

Did anything else of note happen ? I seem to see a few rumours swirling about on twitter?

[andrew]

epom said:

Did anything else of note happen ? I seem to see a few rumours swirling about on twitter?

what, like a bmw up a tree ?

[moneymakestheworldgoaround]

andrew said:

epom said:

Did anything else of note happen ? I seem to see a few rumours swirling about on twitter?

what, like a bmw up a tree ?

Also an 720S, I hear.

[200Plus Club]

Not aware, there was a stoppage for a while after an off but no details given. Interested to hear but didn't get anything on the day? It was a cracking event, to say it's only straight line stuff.
I think they should run a sprint track day version next, sort the men out from the boys lol.
It was an interesting drive in/out with some of the ultra hypercars coming and going. Just made me think about the practicalities of using one on the lanes there, and if you'd be as fast as someone pushing their £70k 911 turbo hard etc.
Some of those cars are pure works of art. It's cool to see them used, fair play to the owners even risking them at V Max on brunters. I think the enzo owner ( nice guy) was saying he's got 14k miles on his now. Can't be easy using them that often.
My R8 pales by comparison but I can drive it hard without worrying too much at least.

[TP321]

Not surprised the Pagani didn't run - your car gets stone chipped to death there, especially round the bend before the main straight.

[200Plus Club]

Yea I don't blame them for holding back there. Makes the point tho that the less expensive tuned cars end up being better used. Must be an interesting problem to deal with tho where to use your Pagani or Enzo lol!

[WCZ]

200Plus Club said:

in all honesty a £50k 911 turbo with £20-50k spent on it beat or got close to all the supercars as did a GTR, both of which you could thrash the nuts off without major worry.

ignoring the rest of your very one dimensional opinion of cars, imo the best value for money car is surely an rs6 with a remap @ 700bhp or a lightly tuned f10 M5 also @ 700bhp, both done for under £30k inc the car

[200Plus Club]

WCZ said:

200Plus Club said:

in all honesty a £50k 911 turbo with £20-50k spent on it beat or got close to all the supercars as did a GTR, both of which you could thrash the nuts off without major worry.

ignoring the rest of your very one dimensional opinion of cars, imo the best value for money car is surely an rs6 with a remap @ 700bhp or a lightly tuned f10 M5 also @ 700bhp, both done for under £30k inc the car

i wasnt being one dimensional, anything like the GTR, 911, RS6 etc. i was chatting to the RS6 owner myself on saturday, its a very impressive car (if a bit weighty) and he cracked 188mph. very impressive.

[MDL111]

200Plus Club said:

WCZ said:

200Plus Club said:

in all honesty a £50k 911 turbo with £20-50k spent on it beat or got close to all the supercars as did a GTR, both of which you could thrash the nuts off without major worry.

ignoring the rest of your very one dimensional opinion of cars, imo the best value for money car is surely an rs6 with a remap @ 700bhp or a lightly tuned f10 M5 also @ 700bhp, both done for under £30k inc the car

i wasnt being one dimensional, anything like the GTR, 911, RS6 etc. i was chatting to the RS6 owner myself on saturday, its a very impressive car (if a bit weighty) and he cracked 188mph. very impressive.

don't really get why it is "impressive", probably hit 188 mph every other week on my way home - it is really no big deal. going fast is really no big accomplishment overall if you have a fast car

[200Plus Club]

Impressive in terms of money spent to achieve 760bhp or whatever it was tuned to plus it's a big old barge of a car weight wise.
I'm not sure hitting 188mph every week is realistic in the UK. In a mile at Bruntingthorpe it's very good going, lots of cars on the day got nowhere near 188 in that distance, ie the 7 litre Ultima hitting 164mph.

Edited by 200Plus Club on Tuesday 26th September 22:05

[MDL111]

200Plus Club said:

Impressive in terms of money spent to achieve 760bhp or whatever it was tuned to plus it's a big old barge of a car weight wise.
I'm not sure hitting 188mph every week is realistic in the UK. In a mile at Bruntingthorpe it's very good going, lots of cars on the day got nowhere near 188 in that distance, ie the 7 litre Ultima hitting 164mph.

Edited by 200Plus Club on Tuesday 26th September 22:05

Fair enough, my reference was to "going fast" is not really an impressive feat - people do. it every day on the autobahn without being impressed by it - it is just normal driving

[200Plus Club]

To be fair in the UK it's a prison sentence going 188 mph now lol :-)

[ChrisPackit]

I think the beauty of the GTR's, M5's etc is the effortlessness of them being able to hit those kind of speeds and feel completely stable and safe at high speeds. I've done quite a few top speed events at Brunt over the years, and getting past 150 - 160mph in any car starts to feel very fast, and often it's not what the car can do, it's what the driver has the bottle to do! That's why I would guess the Ultima has the capability to do that quite easily, but is probably a handful at those speeds.

In comparison, I have a mad project car which is an MX5 with Supra TT engine and running gear, which has seen 170mph on the dyno, but there's no chance I would have the balls to do that on a track!

[200Plus Club]

200mph in a 997 turbo was pretty effortless to be honest, very stable. its getting there in a mile thats the trick,

[HappyMidget]

200Plus Club said:

Impressive in terms of money spent to achieve 760bhp or whatever it was tuned to plus it's a big old barge of a car weight wise.
I'm not sure hitting 188mph every week is realistic in the UK. In a mile at Bruntingthorpe it's very good going, lots of cars on the day got nowhere near 188 in that distance, ie the 7 litre Ultima hitting 164mph.

Edited by 200Plus Club on Tuesday 26th September 22:05

That is pretty poor if with a rolling start at the mile an Ultima only got 164. My GoPro clocked 179mph in a standing mile this year in my VXR8. Guess the aero could be a limiting factor for the Ultima.

[200Plus Club]

HappyMidget said:

That is pretty poor if with a rolling start at the mile an Ultima only got 164. My GoPro clocked 179mph in a standing mile this year in my VXR8. Guess the aero could be a limiting factor for the Ultima.

think he was having clutch issues, thats all. no rolling starts, all from standing.

[HappyMidget]

200Plus Club said:

HappyMidget said:

That is pretty poor if with a rolling start at the mile an Ultima only got 164. My GoPro clocked 179mph in a standing mile this year in my VXR8. Guess the aero could be a limiting factor for the Ultima.

think he was having clutch issues, thats all. no rolling starts, all from standing.

That figures, must have got it confused with another event at Brunters where you come onto the straight at speed.

[Shazbat]

200Plus Club said:

Had a very enjoyable day at VMax on saturday, admiring the stunning cars and having a go in a few. the thought occurred to me, obviously, of all the cars there on the day, for someone with a limited budget of say £300k, what was the performance bargain, and which was most useable?
these were the top speeds /cars i saw
997 turbo (ES modified) 223mph
GTR- modified 220mph
9e 911 turbo 216mph
DME F10 M5 207mph
MSL Mercedes 207mph
997 Turbo 207mph

all the above are easily bought and tuneable for way under budget. the fastest stock type cars i saw were then such as
Ferrari F12 207mph, Ferrari 488 202mph.

a beautiful Koenigsegg 1:1 rocked up and ran 216mph, which for £1m+ it should do, and an amazing Huayra parked up and never ran, (assume stone chip damage a major concern).

much as i'd love one of the hypercars, realistically its never gonna happen, and if you had a million pounds to spend would you buy an Egg or Huayra when in all reality you would struggle to use it in the UK other than at a V max, and wouldnt be able to press it hard on country lanes etc because of the value/rarity and loss of value through mileage?

in all honesty a £50k 911 turbo with £20-50k spent on it beat or got close to all the supercars as did a GTR, both of which you could thrash the nuts off without major worry.

would be cool to be in a position to spend £300k on a new Ferrari, or £1m on a hypercar, but in real terms it would just be a (very nice) ornament.

Strange point of view.

Vmax is like going to the Ledbury for dinner and then all throwing up in the toilets afterwards and comparing to see who's made the biggest puddle of vomit.



i.e. so far divorced from the actual ownership experience of a hyper/super-car that as an idea it's actually quite preposterous and embarrasing