The Madness of the ULEZ charges
Discussion
A random selection :
1) Merc CLS 320CDi 2008 -- Fail
2) Mazda Series 1 1597cc 1993 -- Fail
3) Countach 5000QV 5167cc 1988 -- Fail
4) 981 Boxster S 3496cc 2016 -- Pass
5) X -BOW R 1998cc 2012 -- Pass
6) Murcielago 2005 6197cc -- Pass
1 & 2 are almost teetotal , and 3 is surprisingly frugal , sipping fuel in a gentile manner ( unless opened up when the gauge falls before your eyes )
5 likes a drink alright (surprising) , and 6 is perpetually drunken , even at a gentle cruise .
3 and 6 share the same engine block , albeit one is fuel injected and catalysed , and the other is not .
1) Merc CLS 320CDi 2008 -- Fail
2) Mazda Series 1 1597cc 1993 -- Fail
3) Countach 5000QV 5167cc 1988 -- Fail
4) 981 Boxster S 3496cc 2016 -- Pass
5) X -BOW R 1998cc 2012 -- Pass
6) Murcielago 2005 6197cc -- Pass
1 & 2 are almost teetotal , and 3 is surprisingly frugal , sipping fuel in a gentile manner ( unless opened up when the gauge falls before your eyes )
5 likes a drink alright (surprising) , and 6 is perpetually drunken , even at a gentle cruise .
3 and 6 share the same engine block , albeit one is fuel injected and catalysed , and the other is not .
Sigh. The ulez isn't about co2 or mpg but the other crap being put out. That's why any petrol car that is euro4 is going to pass. From some of the posts about it it almost seems some people actually want V12 cars like a F12 or Aventador to be banned rather than being pleased (as I assume most petrolheads would be) they are exempt....
Ferruccio said:
Only way to deal with this stuff is at the ballot box.
This is a fallacy. We do not have functioning democracy. What party is standing on a "more pollution" ticket?The other fallacy is that removing ourselves from the EU will have a positive impact on reducing legislation and regulation. It won't.
Sadly, this good idea will mean that some superb cars will become museum pieces. The death of classic ICE cars won't be electric cars taking over, it will be environmental controls being imposed. Nothing we can do to stop it either as it is a noble cause. The main issue is that from an environmental impact perspective we are just shifting the problem. Yes my Golf, being an older model, pollutes more than new car. However, I only drive 6,000 miles a year in it. My impact will be lower than someone driving 20,000 a year in a new Golf.
Ideally we would have a pence per mile charge but that has many pitfalls as well.
Engelberger said:
Ferruccio said:
Only way to deal with this stuff is at the ballot box.
This is a fallacy. We do not have functioning democracy.Why?
Because they hate the mothers (mostly) who drive their kids the short distance to their (mostly) fee paying schools.
This really p/ssed the mothers off.
At the next local election, for the first time in a long time, the councillor changed. Then we went back to 9.30am.
I hope ULEZ, especially when it expands to cover much of London, will be Khan’s poll tax moment.
Most vehicles which are not compliant will have to pay £12.50 for entering the area each day, in addition to the congestion charge.
Vehicles can be checked using TfL's online checker but broadly speaking, those which are non-compliant are:
Motorbikes that do not meet Euro 3 standards (pre-2007 vehicles)
Petrol cars and vans that do not meet Euro 4 standards (vehicles pre-2006)
Diesel cars and vans that do not meet Euro 6 standards (vehicles pre-2015)
Buses, coaches and lorries will need to meet or exceed the Euro 6 standards or pay £100 a day
Anybody who does not pay the charge will face a fine of £160, although a first offence may result in only a warning letter.
When you look at for instance 2005 Corsa 1.0 which fails to a 2009 Ferrari 599gto v12 6 litre which is ok makes the whole thing kinda stupid
Vehicles can be checked using TfL's online checker but broadly speaking, those which are non-compliant are:
Motorbikes that do not meet Euro 3 standards (pre-2007 vehicles)
Petrol cars and vans that do not meet Euro 4 standards (vehicles pre-2006)
Diesel cars and vans that do not meet Euro 6 standards (vehicles pre-2015)
Buses, coaches and lorries will need to meet or exceed the Euro 6 standards or pay £100 a day
Anybody who does not pay the charge will face a fine of £160, although a first offence may result in only a warning letter.
When you look at for instance 2005 Corsa 1.0 which fails to a 2009 Ferrari 599gto v12 6 litre which is ok makes the whole thing kinda stupid
Jack-flash said:
Most vehicles which are not compliant will have to pay £12.50 for entering the area each day, in addition to the congestion charge.
Vehicles can be checked using TfL's online checker but broadly speaking, those which are non-compliant are:
Motorbikes that do not meet Euro 3 standards (pre-2007 vehicles)
Petrol cars and vans that do not meet Euro 4 standards (vehicles pre-2006)
Diesel cars and vans that do not meet Euro 6 standards (vehicles pre-2015)
Buses, coaches and lorries will need to meet or exceed the Euro 6 standards or pay £100 a day
Anybody who does not pay the charge will face a fine of £160, although a first offence may result in only a warning letter.
When you look at for instance 2005 Corsa 1.0 which fails to a 2009 Ferrari 599gto v12 6 litre which is ok makes the whole thing kinda stupid
With the blanket Euro 3 thing for motorbikes, if you can get a certificate of conformity for an older bike that shows the emissions are ULEZ compliant, you can get an exemption from TfLVehicles can be checked using TfL's online checker but broadly speaking, those which are non-compliant are:
Motorbikes that do not meet Euro 3 standards (pre-2007 vehicles)
Petrol cars and vans that do not meet Euro 4 standards (vehicles pre-2006)
Diesel cars and vans that do not meet Euro 6 standards (vehicles pre-2015)
Buses, coaches and lorries will need to meet or exceed the Euro 6 standards or pay £100 a day
Anybody who does not pay the charge will face a fine of £160, although a first offence may result in only a warning letter.
When you look at for instance 2005 Corsa 1.0 which fails to a 2009 Ferrari 599gto v12 6 litre which is ok makes the whole thing kinda stupid
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