A cautionary tale.
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The police are more active on the M6 Toll road than previously.
I had the pleasure of reclining in the back of a Police Volvo, sheepishly watching myself on video averaging 102.57mph on Sunday afternoon. Felt like a right berk. It wasn't even an unmarked one! Idiot.
Just think of the money I'm going to save by not being able to drive for a month!
Anyhoo, be warned and behave.
I had the pleasure of reclining in the back of a Police Volvo, sheepishly watching myself on video averaging 102.57mph on Sunday afternoon. Felt like a right berk. It wasn't even an unmarked one! Idiot.
Just think of the money I'm going to save by not being able to drive for a month!
Anyhoo, be warned and behave.
Yes bad luck Mike. You should seriously consider instructing Nick Freeman the Manchester based lawyer who seems to get everyone off these type of offenses. Bit late now but his advice on being stopped by plod is : Never offer any form of ID inc driving license. Always ask for the type of radar equipment fitted to plod's car. You have a right to know. Good luck anyway
David A said:
simonspider said:
: Never offer any form of ID inc driving license.
Going a bit OT but I've heard that before - whats the logic/reasoning behind it?
I presume that in court the police will be asked to prove who was driving the car
By not giving any form of ID you make their task quite hard, although I would have thought that in the event of you not providing ID they would take your picture
BTW bad luck getting about getting done
Edited by traxx on Tuesday 15th August 21:39
I got done on the A4 Great West Road last year doing 78 in a 40...the plods I had were so anal! I was in my old car, ie Alfa 147 Selespeed. He gave the car a right going over ie checked under the bonnet, under the car, tyres etc! My battery bolt had come slightly undone and I had slightly kerbed my front tyres (about the same size as 5pence piece) and threatened to tow my car away as was deemed undrivable! I asked for a senior plod for second opinion and then plod number 2 came! He was much nicer, as allowed the tyres to pass. Cut long story short, had court case, got a good barrister, pleaded guilty to speeding and other charges with dropped! The even asked for my payslips for income etc and "only" charged me £300 despite being a Dentist in private practice! also got 6pts!
End of the day, some plods are good, some bad, get that book about Saving your licence off the net by ex-plod and becareful where you speed! theres loads of websites about which roads have cameras, mobile and fixed and check out your local routes/regular thrash roads first!
On the subject, whats the consensus on laser detectors ie RoadAngel etc?
End of the day, some plods are good, some bad, get that book about Saving your licence off the net by ex-plod and becareful where you speed! theres loads of websites about which roads have cameras, mobile and fixed and check out your local routes/regular thrash roads first!
On the subject, whats the consensus on laser detectors ie RoadAngel etc?
simonspider said:
Yes bad luck Mike. You should seriously consider instructing Nick Freeman the Manchester based lawyer who seems to get everyone off these type of offenses. Bit late now but his advice on being stopped by plod is : Never offer any form of ID inc driving license. Always ask for the type of radar equipment fitted to plod's car. You have a right to know. Good luck anyway
He got one of my customers off a ban (for speeding) with some loophole. The guy is damn expensive but worth every penny I'm told. He said to always register a car in a companies name as companies dont have driving licenses
and are under no obligation to keep a record of who was driving and when 
I think I'd be nervous about refusing any I.D to a Plod as they can be right vindictive B'stards when they want to be. I got off a Scamered speeding offence recently by being a right arguementive git. Plus surely refusing to offer any I.D must be an offence along the lines of disobeying an P.O or obstruction?
elms said:
Jonny5 said:
elms said:
He got one of my customers off a ban (for speeding) with some loophole. The guy is damn expensive but worth every penny I'm told.
Not expensive if the prosecution are picking up the tab
Which they did which was about £4k apparentley!
good use of our taxpayers money, getting rich people off legitiamte fines, whatever happened to "its a fair cop". And 78 in a 40 does not sound good (although I don't know the specifics) and much worse than 100+ on a motorway IMHO
elms said:
simonspider said:
Yes bad luck Mike. You should seriously consider instructing Nick Freeman the Manchester based lawyer who seems to get everyone off these type of offenses. Bit late now but his advice on being stopped by plod is : Never offer any form of ID inc driving license. Always ask for the type of radar equipment fitted to plod's car. You have a right to know. Good luck anyway
He got one of my customers off a ban (for speeding) with some loophole. The guy is damn expensive but worth every penny I'm told. He said to always register a car in a companies name as companies dont have driving licenses
and are under no obligation to keep a record of who was driving and when I think I'd be nervous about refusing any I.D to a Plod as they can be right vindictive B'stards when they want to be. I got off a Scamered speeding offence recently by being a right arguementive git. Plus surely refusing to offer any I.D must be an offence along the lines of disobeying an P.O or obstruction?
Nick Freeman got a guy I know off alleged speeding because the car was going so fast it went out of sight and they couldn't prove it was the same car (911 Turbo). Judge let him off but was very suspicious and only allowed him 10k in costs! He might also be taking on a case for a client of mine accused of doing over the ton in a highly unsubtle supercar - the police pulled him from a line of traffic all doing the same sort of speed.
Regarding ID AFAIK it is an arrestable offence (under Police and Criminal Evidence Act) to not produce some form of ID if a policeman has a reasonable suspicion that you are not who you say you are - stops the buggers just calling themselves Micky Mouse and buggering off!
Edited by tcf on Wednesday 16th August 12:55
Thanks for all the support and advice, guys.
Truth is, I was speeding and got caught. No excuses.
The M6 Toll traffic travels a lot faster than a normal motorway so cruising past traffic means a higher cruising speed. In relative terms, no different to doing, say, 85mph on a normal stretch of motorway. Because everyone on the Toll Road does about 90 odd, inevitably I ended up over the ton.
The coppers were chilled, and said that I had a 50/50 chance of a ban in their opinion. No suggestion of dangerous behaviour, dry road, clear sky, light-ish traffic.
Still feel a berk, though.
Truth is, I was speeding and got caught. No excuses.
The M6 Toll traffic travels a lot faster than a normal motorway so cruising past traffic means a higher cruising speed. In relative terms, no different to doing, say, 85mph on a normal stretch of motorway. Because everyone on the Toll Road does about 90 odd, inevitably I ended up over the ton.
The coppers were chilled, and said that I had a 50/50 chance of a ban in their opinion. No suggestion of dangerous behaviour, dry road, clear sky, light-ish traffic.
Still feel a berk, though.
crikeymikey said:
Thanks for all the support and advice, guys.
Truth is, I was speeding and got caught. No excuses.
The M6 Toll traffic travels a lot faster than a normal motorway so cruising past traffic means a higher cruising speed. In relative terms, no different to doing, say, 85mph on a normal stretch of motorway. Because everyone on the Toll Road does about 90 odd, inevitably I ended up over the ton.
The coppers were chilled, and said that I had a 50/50 chance of a ban in their opinion. No suggestion of dangerous behaviour, dry road, clear sky, light-ish traffic.
Still feel a berk, though.
Truth is, I was speeding and got caught. No excuses.
The M6 Toll traffic travels a lot faster than a normal motorway so cruising past traffic means a higher cruising speed. In relative terms, no different to doing, say, 85mph on a normal stretch of motorway. Because everyone on the Toll Road does about 90 odd, inevitably I ended up over the ton.
The coppers were chilled, and said that I had a 50/50 chance of a ban in their opinion. No suggestion of dangerous behaviour, dry road, clear sky, light-ish traffic.
Still feel a berk, though.
Getting caught by a "jam sandwich" was a bit careless, but there but for the grace of God etc etc etc
Vesuvius 996 said:
Getting caught by a "jam sandwich" was a bit careless,
Indeedy. A rookie mistake, no question. I've always considered myself to have eyes in the back of my head and anyone who gets nabbed by a marked car to be a complete numpty.
But we all get caught eventually. Last time for me was 23 years ago. Oddly, with another Italian machine (though with 2 wheels, not 4).
"Pride comes before a fall", hence my reminder to everyone.
Adam B said:
elms said:
Jonny5 said:
elms said:
He got one of my customers off a ban (for speeding) with some loophole. The guy is damn expensive but worth every penny I'm told.
Not expensive if the prosecution are picking up the tab
Which they did which was about £4k apparentley!
good use of our taxpayers money, getting rich people off legitiamte fines, whatever happened to "its a fair cop". And 78 in a 40 does not sound good (although I don't know the specifics) and much worse than 100+ on a motorway IMHO
If it was legitimate he wouldnt of got the charge thrown out of court.
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