LP640 The Bull with Big Balls
Discussion
Guy's I have driven this car now for a couple of hundred miles in the wet mainly and a bit of dry weather. The egear box is fantastic and the performance is shattering however, you need to give this car the upmost respect!!!! It is just so aggressive as you pull upto about 4500 rpm, it wants to rip the road up as you change up the box now at about 5500 rpm. At this point your head is being pushed hard against the headrest, you hold on gripping the wheel harder and harder trying to drive through the torque steer.
It really does take off like an Enzo and yes I have driven both. The carbon brakes are probably the best I've tried and tranform the cars stopping power by a country mile. I can't see anyone ever making a car like this again so at £190,000 plus bits I think it's mega value for money and I can't wait to see what you all think once you have tried it.
It really does take off like an Enzo and yes I have driven both. The carbon brakes are probably the best I've tried and tranform the cars stopping power by a country mile. I can't see anyone ever making a car like this again so at £190,000 plus bits I think it's mega value for money and I can't wait to see what you all think once you have tried it.
sir lambo said:
Guy's I have driven this car now for a couple of hundred miles in the wet mainly and a bit of dry weather. The egear box is fantastic and the performance is shattering however, you need to give this car the upmost respect!!!! It is just so aggressive as you pull upto about 4500 rpm, it wants to rip the road up as you change up the box now at about 5500 rpm. At this point your head is being pushed hard against the headrest, you hold on gripping the wheel harder and harder trying to drive through the torque steer.
It really does take off like an Enzo and yes I have driven both. The carbon brakes are probably the best I've tried and tranform the cars stopping power by a country mile. I can't see anyone ever making a car like this again so at £190,000 plus bits I think it's mega value for money and I can't wait to see what you all think once you have tried it.
It really does take off like an Enzo and yes I have driven both. The carbon brakes are probably the best I've tried and tranform the cars stopping power by a country mile. I can't see anyone ever making a car like this again so at £190,000 plus bits I think it's mega value for money and I can't wait to see what you all think once you have tried it.
More than pleased to tell you what I think if you lend it me for a drive
Thanks for sharing though. Keep it up.
Have to agree with Mark,
Just driven the 640 and its Awesome!! The power delivery is not like the old Murcie, its more like the gallardo (agressive & powerbandish). The acceleration is pheonominal and the brakes (carbon option fitted) where brilliant. Really didn't push it that hard through any twisties but you can feel if you don't know what you're doing with this car it will bite you in the a..e!! It just looks so much more agressive than the standard Murcie (if thats possible!!)
The E-gear box felt better than the Gallardo, but I still think the manual is going to be far,far better.
The only problem is now I've got to wait till March till I get Mine... Bummer eh!!
Thanks again for the test drive Mark.
Andy.
Just driven the 640 and its Awesome!! The power delivery is not like the old Murcie, its more like the gallardo (agressive & powerbandish). The acceleration is pheonominal and the brakes (carbon option fitted) where brilliant. Really didn't push it that hard through any twisties but you can feel if you don't know what you're doing with this car it will bite you in the a..e!! It just looks so much more agressive than the standard Murcie (if thats possible!!)
The E-gear box felt better than the Gallardo, but I still think the manual is going to be far,far better.
The only problem is now I've got to wait till March till I get Mine... Bummer eh!!
Thanks again for the test drive Mark.
Andy.
sir lambo said:
...at £190,000 plus bits I think it's mega value for money and I can't wait to see what you all think once you have tried it.
Let's see, ah yes -
1. There goes my wife
2. Yes you can call me 'Chuck' Norris
3. Would you like more drugs?
4. Yes, Sir Alex, I won't park my Escalade next to Giggsy's Kia again
What is it with you people?
Just when I'd lumbered up to fork out £150 large everyone gets all giddy and thinks £200k on a car is even vaguely connected with life outside of Little Dokicville?
I look forward to scratching one on the car park of M&S, Cheadle, you capitalist filth.
Er, seriously...
Oh yes and you utter, utter bastards. 
nastywej said:
Mark,
Does the 640 have a "E Gear Sport" button to quicken up the changes?
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Also any ideas on "average" clutch life? ... Noting how much power the 640 has?
Bargain @ £190k + Bits!
Does the 640 have a "E Gear Sport" button to quicken up the changes?
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Also any ideas on "average" clutch life? ... Noting how much power the 640 has?
Bargain @ £190k + Bits!
No button like that Ben! Thats just for F cars! And this clutch business no matter what power it has it'll all depend on whether you slip it or not. I hope they have changed the hinge for the airscoops. Just had the eighth one go last week.
Ahh but Mr George ...Gallardo has Sport Gismo thing...Doesn't it share the same system, just can't make it out on the pictures. (Ref to E Gear)
Noted ref clutch...but haven't you ordered a manual though? ... E Gear for me.
Simon...can you make the air-scoops stay up all the time?
Noted ref clutch...but haven't you ordered a manual though? ... E Gear for me.
Simon...can you make the air-scoops stay up all the time?
Edited by nastywej on Sunday 27th August 15:26
Yea soz I thought you were referring to the manual. Maybe the e-gear does have a sport mode I'm not sure?
No theres no way to make the scoops stay up permanently unless its 30+ deg outside. They always go down at 40mph if they have been raised manually. Interestingly in the US market they go down at 5mph if raised manually. I assume the difference is down to the colder winters where at sub zeros temps with the scoops up at 40mph could cause the V12 not to fully warm up.
No theres no way to make the scoops stay up permanently unless its 30+ deg outside. They always go down at 40mph if they have been raised manually. Interestingly in the US market they go down at 5mph if raised manually. I assume the difference is down to the colder winters where at sub zeros temps with the scoops up at 40mph could cause the V12 not to fully warm up.
nastywej said:
Mark,
Does the 640 have a "E Gear Sport" button to quicken up the changes?
+
Also any ideas on "average" clutch life? ... Noting how much power the 640 has?
Bargain @ £190k + Bits!
Yse the sport button does speed up the change not that you need to as it is crisp as it is. To answer your question ref clutch life I would agree with Simon that it is down to the driver 9 times out of 10. The V12 engine couples up well to this system. Only time will tell. Does the 640 have a "E Gear Sport" button to quicken up the changes?
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Also any ideas on "average" clutch life? ... Noting how much power the 640 has?
Bargain @ £190k + Bits!
Jonny5 said:
If it's a bargain at 190k, imagine what'll it'll be after 12 months @ 150k ... 24 months @ 120k 36 @ 100
[/quote]Yse the sport button does speed up the change not that you need to as it is crisp as it is. To answer your question ref clutch life I would agree with Simon that it is down to the driver 9 times out of 10. The V12 engine couples up well to this system. Only time will tell.[/quote] I already appreciate the driver usage bit from previous cars, but was more interested in average/predicted clutch life cycle for the 640 ....noting the average driver should we expect say 10000 miles from an E Gear?
graeme73s said:
personally I'd pay the factory to disconnect the front diff. That would make it an awesome supercar but it will invalidate the warranty.
I know what you mean... but 4WD does make sense in the real world. I'm sure every Scooby and EVO driver will agree.
You can get on the throttle a hell of a lot sooner in a 4WD drive car than a rear driver and get a better exit speed as a result (though, on track, it's easier to adjust your line in a rear driver with the throttle). In this country, with the poor weather and poorer road surfaces we have, that's a winner in my book.
I drove an new M5 a couple of months ago, down some local twisty-ish roads, and you couldn't use the power until the thing was pointing in a straight line. With the traction control 'on' it just bogged down, with it 'off' the back end came round and you had to lift off. Either way, a complete waste of 500hp. Very rapid in a straight line, though. But not a sports car.
The car's owner, Thomas, couldn't get past a Bentley Conti GT, no matter how hard he tried.
crikeymikey said:
graeme73s said:
personally I'd pay the factory to disconnect the front diff. That would make it an awesome supercar but it will invalidate the warranty.
I know what you mean... but 4WD does make sense in the real world. I'm sure every Scooby and EVO driver will agree.
You can get on the throttle a hell of a lot sooner in a 4WD drive car than a rear driver and get a better exit speed as a result (though, on track, it's easier to adjust your line in a rear driver with the throttle). In this country, with the poor weather and poorer road surfaces we have, that's a winner in my book.
I drove an new M5 a couple of months ago, down some local twisty-ish roads, and you couldn't use the power until the thing was pointing in a straight line. With the traction control 'on' it just bogged down, with it 'off' the back end came round and you had to lift off. Either way, a complete waste of 500hp. Very rapid in a straight line, though. But not a sports car.
The car's owner, Thomas, couldn't get past a Bentley Conti GT, no matter how hard he tried.
But that's part of the fun of owning a RWD car - there's a little bit more skill involved instead of just flooring it out of every corner and relying on 4WD (albeit you can some nicely sideways too)
ferrari355gtb said:
crikeymikey said:
graeme73s said:
personally I'd pay the factory to disconnect the front diff. That would make it an awesome supercar but it will invalidate the warranty.
I know what you mean... but 4WD does make sense in the real world. I'm sure every Scooby and EVO driver will agree.
You can get on the throttle a hell of a lot sooner in a 4WD drive car than a rear driver and get a better exit speed as a result (though, on track, it's easier to adjust your line in a rear driver with the throttle). In this country, with the poor weather and poorer road surfaces we have, that's a winner in my book.
I drove an new M5 a couple of months ago, down some local twisty-ish roads, and you couldn't use the power until the thing was pointing in a straight line. With the traction control 'on' it just bogged down, with it 'off' the back end came round and you had to lift off. Either way, a complete waste of 500hp. Very rapid in a straight line, though. But not a sports car.
The car's owner, Thomas, couldn't get past a Bentley Conti GT, no matter how hard he tried.
But that's part of the fun of owning a RWD car - there's a little bit more skill involved instead of just flooring it out of every corner and relying on 4WD (albeit you can some nicely sideways too)
I know what you mean by "fun" but Tom was seriously pissed off that his "ultimate driving machine" was being left for dead by a lardy VW in drag, with it's huge engine (relatively) hung in front of it's front axle!.
Remember, when Audi entered quattro cars in Touring car racing, the rules were very quickly re-written to give them a weight penalty because they won everything from the 'off'.
And.. having nearly crashed my car twice, I can assure you that 4WD is hardly idiot proof!
But you're right, rear drive is fun!
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