This is insane

[troesma]

Now, check out this

www.infobae.com/contenidos/308381-100804-0-El-superdeportivo-que-se-fabricará-la-Argentina

(don't ask me to translate, it's just too long) but to make a long story short, it seems to be a Lambo model to be built under licence in LatAm by some Mexican dude who snatched the rights (from Lambo when it was almost defunct) to build cars using the logo and brand.

Now, whilst Argie-land has given the world the likes of Fangio, Alejandro de Tommaso or Horacio Pagani (in fact, all Pagani models are named after something linked to Argentina, e.g. Zonda is the name of a windcurrent which blows in summer mostly across the Andean region) this is, well,...

Any reactions?

Ed

[RobPhoboS]

Edited by RobPhoboS on Wednesday 28th March 14:45

[JuniorD]

According to the story, in 1996 he bought a 99 year licence from the Indonesian crowd to use the Lamborghini marque in Latin Americia. It's claimed the licence is valid and VW can't stop it. If the project goes ahead I'm sure the VW IP lawyers will be able to restrict him in some way.

[RichBurley]

The above being correct, and my Spannish understanding being nil, I would have to say:

Why should they? He bought a licence; there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to operate it. What makes VW holier than him, that they should prevent him from making cars under licence?

Edited by RichBurley on Wednesday 28th March 15:14

[JuniorD]

RichBurley said:

The above being correct, and my Spannish understanding being nil, I would have to say:

Why should they? He bought a licence; there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to operate it. What makes VW holier than him, that they should prevent him from making cars under licence?

Edited by RichBurley on Wednesday 28th March 15:14

Firstly, it has nothing to do with holiness, more to do with business, IP rights and licences - all of which are precious and worth defending.

VW have every reason to try to prevent him exercising the licence which he purports to have; just look at what he plans to build under it.

Secondly, without seeing the licence and what it's for exactly and what the terms are, it's impossible to say what he can and can't do under it. There are going to be certain constraints to it and if VW want to put the brakes on him they will use all the legal means available to stop him. And if they find the legal instrument that allows them to, why shouldn't they?

Edited by JuniorD on Wednesday 28th March 16:19

[RichBurley]

JuniorD said:

RichBurley said:

The above being correct, and my Spannish understanding being nil, I would have to say:

Why should they? He bought a licence; there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to operate it. What makes VW holier than him, that they should prevent him from making cars under licence?

Edited by RichBurley on Wednesday 28th March 15:14

Firstly, it has nothing to do with holiness, more to do with business, IP rights and licences - all of which are precious and worth defending.

VW have every reason to try to prevent him exercising the licence which he purports to have; just look at what he plans to build under it.

Secondly, without seeing the licence and what it's for exactly and what the terms are, it's impossible to say what he can and can't do under it. There are going to be certain constraints to it and if VW want to put the brakes on him they will use all the legal means available to stop him. And if they find the legal instrument that allows them to, why shouldn't they?

Edited by JuniorD on Wednesday 28th March 16:19

I just think you are sounding very quick to pick sides. What is there to say that he has done anything wrong? Is he threatening to take legal action against VW for building sports cars in Europe? Why should they take action against him for building cars in S America, or wherever it is?

WHAT HAS HE DONE WRONG?

[JuniorD]

RichBurley said:

JuniorD said:

RichBurley said:

The above being correct, and my Spannish understanding being nil, I would have to say:

Why should they? He bought a licence; there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to operate it. What makes VW holier than him, that they should prevent him from making cars under licence?

Edited by RichBurley on Wednesday 28th March 15:14

Firstly, it has nothing to do with holiness, more to do with business, IP rights and licences - all of which are precious and worth defending.

VW have every reason to try to prevent him exercising the licence which he purports to have; just look at what he plans to build under it.

Secondly, without seeing the licence and what it's for exactly and what the terms are, it's impossible to say what he can and can't do under it. There are going to be certain constraints to it and if VW want to put the brakes on him they will use all the legal means available to stop him. And if they find the legal instrument that allows them to, why shouldn't they?

Edited by JuniorD on Wednesday 28th March 16:19

I just think you are sounding very quick to pick sides. What is there to say that he has done anything wrong? Is he threatening to take legal action against VW for building sports cars in Europe? Why should they take action against him for building cars in S America, or wherever it is?

WHAT HAS HE DONE WRONG?

It's not simply a matter of RIGHT or WRONG. It's a matter of the terms of the licence which he has (I can't believe I've pointed that out to the head of litigation of a solicitors firm).

Maybe this contract is 100% kosher and he's in the clear to make/sell/market/distribute in Latin America, but if you think for one second that Audi AG or Automobili Lamborghini Holding S.p.A. heard of his intentions and simply thought 'Ah well, he says he has a licence so that'll be that then, good luck to him' you'd be very naive.

I'm not picking sides just commenting on a potential legal situation. Lamborghini have a good record of protecting their IP rights and if they haven't already, I'm sure they will be looking into this closely. The car in question looks hideous Im sure you'll agree ;-)

[troesma]

So, anyone has comments ON THE CAR ITSELF. Let's assume he's on the clear and that VW would have no legal way of stopping him... then, he's only thinking of making 12 units, hardly a marketing blow, even if he gets it all wrong (in which case he would be seen as a maverick, rather than Lambo).

Maybe have a peek into this dude web site... an exclusive (!) for PH

www.e-lamborghini.com

or read

www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=120016#3

http://spbcar.ru/news/en/article/5512

Have fun!

Edited by troesma on Wednesday 28th March 17:28

[RichBurley]

As I was saying, what has he done wrong with regard to the licence? It's unclear that there is any evidence of wrongdoing? You can't sell a licence, and then sue someone for building cars pursuant to the licence.

PS thanks JuniorD for pointing *something* out to me

Edited by RichBurley on Wednesday 28th March 17:21

[JuniorD]

RichBurley said:

As I was saying, what has he done wrong with regard to the licence? It's unclear that there is any evidence of wrongdoing? You can't sell a licence, and then sue someone for building cars pursuant to the licence.

PS thanks JuniorD for pointing *something* out to me

Edited by RichBurley on Wednesday 28th March 17:21

If the cars are pursuant to the licence then all's fine, I don't dispute that. I'm sure Lamborghini SPA are just grateful that the licence which was sold by the previous owners only extends to Latin America. I very much doubt they'd have sold such a licence themselves.

[nopantshans]

lucky they didnt sell to the chinese, they would be churning out 50,000 Diablos a year under the name "ESTEEMED COW"

[jimmyd123]

Did anyone look in the cars for sale section on e-lamborghini.com? Look at the state of the Eros GT1.
How much are Vectors usually? $135,000 sounds cheap to me, but I have no idea.

[insurance_jon]

did anyone notice the licence is on the site, first link on the left. the cars are hideous though

[troesma]

Yep, seen the bunch of paperwork... they even post pictures of the manufacturing process... hardly any better than what could be done in anyone's backyard with the right tooling, IMHO.

Now the cars are a real

Assume the guys at VW are anything but amused by this guy rolling his badged Lambos.

BTW, he's Mexican, not from Argentina, so at least the pedigree of De Tommaso and Pagani will not be stained by this Maverick.

Now, why buy for 750K Euros this thingie when you could get the real deal for much less..? Defies common-sense.

[cronk-flakes]

troesma said:

So, anyone has comments ON THE CAR ITSELF. Let's assume he's on the clear and that VW would have no legal way of stopping him... then, he's only thinking of making 12 units, hardly a marketing blow, even if he gets it all wrong (in which case he would be seen as a maverick, rather than Lambo).

Maybe have a peek into this dude web site... an exclusive (!) for PH

www.e-lamborghini.com

or read

www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=120016#3

http://spbcar.ru/news/en/article/5512

Have fun!

Edited by troesma on Wednesday 28th March 17:28

Thats some ugly sh...

[S4E Jord]

troesma said:

Now, check out this

www.infobae.com/contenidos/308381-100804-0-El-superdeportivo-que-se-fabricará-la-Argentina

(don't ask me to translate, it's just too long) but to make a long story short, it seems to be a Lambo model to be built under licence in LatAm by some Mexican dude who snatched the rights (from Lambo when it was almost defunct) to build cars using the logo and brand.

Now, whilst Argie-land has given the world the likes of Fangio, Alejandro de Tommaso or Horacio Pagani (in fact, all Pagani models are named after something linked to Argentina, e.g. Zonda is the name of a windcurrent which blows in summer mostly across the Andean region) this is, well,...

Any reactions?

Ed

looks a bit like a Diablo had sex with an Enzo