gallardo clutch.. some owner advice please!!
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hi about to purcahse a 05 manual gallardo tommorrow. its done best part of 13k on the same clutch from new.. couple opf questions. although the clutch shows no sign of wear... what would be a ball park mileage figure for a clucth change in these cars.. in others words is it about to go. its mainly be driven around london traffic !
secondly lambo want 4k for a new one should it be required soon... is there anybody cheaper out there qualified to do such a job?
many thanks
secondly lambo want 4k for a new one should it be required soon... is there anybody cheaper out there qualified to do such a job?
many thanks
silverfox_6 said:
hi about to purcahse a 05 manual gallardo tommorrow. its done best part of 13k on the same clutch from new.. couple opf questions. although the clutch shows no sign of wear... what would be a ball park mileage figure for a clucth change in these cars.. in others words is it about to go. its mainly be driven around london traffic !
secondly lambo want 4k for a new one should it be required soon... is there anybody cheaper out there qualified to do such a job?
many thanks
secondly lambo want 4k for a new one should it be required soon... is there anybody cheaper out there qualified to do such a job?
many thanks
13K should be fine. An '05 will have the 'C' clutch which is the same as mine. I've done 12K and it's only 40% worn.
Having said that, it was 33% worn at 7500, so wear is not linear (obviously). It depends on how it's been driven. Mine's an e-gear though, which is easier to assess.
As Alan mentions in another thread, if you put the car into gear and (without touching the throttle) gently let the clutch out, the revs at which the clutch fully engages will give you a reasonable idea of the condition of the clutch. Every 100rpm past 1500rpm is roughly 20% wear, so much over 2000rpm and the clutch really is close to being knackered.
Incidentally, the car shouldn't stall when you do this. It should 'load compensate' automatically.
£4K is about right for a new clutch from a dealer. Someone here claims to have a contact that will do it for half that. Hopefully he's reading this.
Best of luck to you!
Are you sure it is still the original clutch?? on mine it turned to dust at 2500 miles and then had the 'c' 'upgrade' or is it d, e or f! in any event that lasted about 7 K so I would be surprised if your clutch isnt well past its best. Having had ferraris and Porches before I have never had to replace a clutch in any car like the G!
Rest assured however, if you are driving in london traffic it will soon be finished anyway I regret to say.
I think the clutch is always going to be an issue, its a very small diameter clutch compared to say a 355 and thicker lining and materials have gone some way with the various upgrades to alleviate the matter. My pet theory is that its only the models 06 on, with different gearbox ratios to 'help the clutch' are the only ones that will last as they should the gearbox in previous models is just to high geared.
if your worried about the outlay to do a clutch on this car its probably the least of your concerns and best avoided if you consider there is no manufacturers warranty when the original runs out.
Rest assured however, if you are driving in london traffic it will soon be finished anyway I regret to say.
I think the clutch is always going to be an issue, its a very small diameter clutch compared to say a 355 and thicker lining and materials have gone some way with the various upgrades to alleviate the matter. My pet theory is that its only the models 06 on, with different gearbox ratios to 'help the clutch' are the only ones that will last as they should the gearbox in previous models is just to high geared.
if your worried about the outlay to do a clutch on this car its probably the least of your concerns and best avoided if you consider there is no manufacturers warranty when the original runs out.
octane said:
Are you sure it is still the original clutch?? on mine it turned to dust at 2500 miles and then had the 'c' 'upgrade' or is it d, e or f! in any event that lasted about 7 K so I would be surprised if your clutch isnt well past its best. Having had ferraris and Porches before I have never had to replace a clutch in any car like the G!
Rest assured however, if you are driving in london traffic it will soon be finished anyway I regret to say.
I think the clutch is always going to be an issue, its a very small diameter clutch compared to say a 355 and thicker lining and materials have gone some way with the various upgrades to alleviate the matter. My pet theory is that its only the models 06 on, with different gearbox ratios to 'help the clutch' are the only ones that will last as they should the gearbox in previous models is just to high geared.
if your worried about the outlay to do a clutch on this car its probably the least of your concerns and best avoided if you consider there is no manufacturers warranty when the original runs out.
Rest assured however, if you are driving in london traffic it will soon be finished anyway I regret to say.
I think the clutch is always going to be an issue, its a very small diameter clutch compared to say a 355 and thicker lining and materials have gone some way with the various upgrades to alleviate the matter. My pet theory is that its only the models 06 on, with different gearbox ratios to 'help the clutch' are the only ones that will last as they should the gearbox in previous models is just to high geared.
if your worried about the outlay to do a clutch on this car its probably the least of your concerns and best avoided if you consider there is no manufacturers warranty when the original runs out.
Yes. The original clutch. Although, being an '05 my car had a better clutch than yours to start with.
The 'A' was a bit iffy, though not all cars were affected and manuals suffered far worse than E-gears.
The 'B' was hardly out 10 minutes before it was withdrawn.
The 'C' was standard on '05 cars and appears to be more idiot proof on the manuals of that year as well.
There was no 'D'.
The latest manuals have a sintered clutch. Latest E-gears have the 'E'. NEO's 'E' has done about 25000 miles.
crikeymikey said:
octane said:
Are you sure it is still the original clutch?? on mine it turned to dust at 2500 miles and then had the 'c' 'upgrade' or is it d, e or f! in any event that lasted about 7 K so I would be surprised if your clutch isnt well past its best. Having had ferraris and Porches before I have never had to replace a clutch in any car like the G!
Rest assured however, if you are driving in london traffic it will soon be finished anyway I regret to say.
I think the clutch is always going to be an issue, its a very small diameter clutch compared to say a 355 and thicker lining and materials have gone some way with the various upgrades to alleviate the matter. My pet theory is that its only the models 06 on, with different gearbox ratios to 'help the clutch' are the only ones that will last as they should the gearbox in previous models is just to high geared.
if your worried about the outlay to do a clutch on this car its probably the least of your concerns and best avoided if you consider there is no manufacturers warranty when the original runs out.
Rest assured however, if you are driving in london traffic it will soon be finished anyway I regret to say.
I think the clutch is always going to be an issue, its a very small diameter clutch compared to say a 355 and thicker lining and materials have gone some way with the various upgrades to alleviate the matter. My pet theory is that its only the models 06 on, with different gearbox ratios to 'help the clutch' are the only ones that will last as they should the gearbox in previous models is just to high geared.
if your worried about the outlay to do a clutch on this car its probably the least of your concerns and best avoided if you consider there is no manufacturers warranty when the original runs out.
Yes. The original clutch. Although, being an '05 my car had a better clutch than yours to start with.
The 'A' was a bit iffy, though not all cars were affected and manuals suffered far worse than E-gears.
The 'B' was hardly out 10 minutes before it was withdrawn.
The 'C' was standard on '05 cars and appears to be more idiot proof on the manuals of that year as well.
There was no 'D'.
The latest manuals have a sintered clutch. Latest E-gears have the 'E'. NEO's 'E' has done about 25000 miles.
whats a sintered clutch when it's at home?!
miyagi said:
whats a sintered clutch when it's at home?!
I don't care how much martial arts training you've had, I'm going to have to kick your ass next Tuesday!
Why are there so many technically inept people in control (and I'll use that word reservedly) of supercars!
A sintered clutch (or brake pad for that matter) is 'doped' with particles of another material (various alloys available for this application) to provide added friction without the extra heat build up.
A full technical explanation will necessitate a whack upside the head, M.
octane said:
Rest assured however, if you are driving in london traffic it will soon be finished anyway I regret to say.
I think the clutch is always going to be an issue, its a very small diameter clutch compared to say a 355 and thicker lining and materials have gone some way with the various upgrades to alleviate the matter. My pet theory is that its only the models 06 on, with different gearbox ratios to 'help the clutch' are the only ones that will last as they should the gearbox in previous models is just to high geared.
if your worried about the outlay to do a clutch on this car its probably the least of your concerns and best avoided if you consider there is no manufacturers warranty when the original runs out.
Rubbish I've driven my Spyder to the office in the City almost every day since last June
7,000 miles - many track days - 12% clutch wear
traxx said:
octane said:
Rest assured however, if you are driving in london traffic it will soon be finished anyway I regret to say.
I think the clutch is always going to be an issue, its a very small diameter clutch compared to say a 355 and thicker lining and materials have gone some way with the various upgrades to alleviate the matter. My pet theory is that its only the models 06 on, with different gearbox ratios to 'help the clutch' are the only ones that will last as they should the gearbox in previous models is just to high geared.
if your worried about the outlay to do a clutch on this car its probably the least of your concerns and best avoided if you consider there is no manufacturers warranty when the original runs out.
Rubbish I've driven my Spyder to the office in the City almost every day since last June
7,000 miles - many track days - 12% clutch wear
Thanks for the comment! im pleased your experience is a good one and that you have done 7K miles in your spider without needing a clutch!
HOWEVER i think if you read the post a bit better you will see my post refers to MANUAL cars and for cars 04/05 I think I am correct in thinking that firstly your car is 06 or 07 if its a spider and secondly its e gear!
Dont be fooled by the wear rates read off the computer though! im afraid they use an algorithm as a guide to wear and as many owners have discovered it can throw up some very odd statistics! applies to f cars to.
Always good idea to word responses succinctly rather than stating a post is 'rubbish'
Guess I must have some type of super clutch fitted to my car then (lucky me) changed at about 3,000 miles, still going strong at 31,000 miles. It used to be the case that people "rubbished" egears saying they eat clutches, now it seems the technology must have moved on, odd that.
Clutch kits (includes both parts not just the fraction plate) are £1100, I'm sure the independents will soon catch on and start offering a change for £2,000ish
ON a slightly different note, its good to hear from owners that have had problems, but they always seem to write posts with a tone of it happened to my car so all cars and drivers will suffer the same fate.
Regards
Simon
Clutch kits (includes both parts not just the fraction plate) are £1100, I'm sure the independents will soon catch on and start offering a change for £2,000ish
ON a slightly different note, its good to hear from owners that have had problems, but they always seem to write posts with a tone of it happened to my car so all cars and drivers will suffer the same fate.
Regards
Simon
v-neo said:
Guess I must have some type of super clutch fitted to my car then (lucky me) changed at about 3,000 miles, still going strong at 31,000 miles. It used to be the case that people "rubbished" egears saying they eat clutches, now it seems the technology must have moved on, odd that.
Clutch kits (includes both parts not just the fraction plate) are £1100, I'm sure the independents will soon catch on and start offering a change for £2,000ish
ON a slightly different note, its good to hear from owners that have had problems, but they always seem to write posts with a tone of it happened to my car so all cars and drivers will suffer the same fate.
Regards
Simon
Well im delighted your expereince was good!
Well in the case of the clutch situation i think I was not alone! as with the RMS issue and the power streering pump issue- the list goes on! so YES I have written this post with the tone that it is MORE likely to be an issue if you buy one.
What i find odd is when you get an owner who has not had a problem that posts with a tone, it has neevr happened to my car so no drivers will suffer the same fate!!!
Clutch kits (includes both parts not just the fraction plate) are £1100, I'm sure the independents will soon catch on and start offering a change for £2,000ish
ON a slightly different note, its good to hear from owners that have had problems, but they always seem to write posts with a tone of it happened to my car so all cars and drivers will suffer the same fate.
Regards
Simon
Well im delighted your expereince was good!
Well in the case of the clutch situation i think I was not alone! as with the RMS issue and the power streering pump issue- the list goes on! so YES I have written this post with the tone that it is MORE likely to be an issue if you buy one.
What i find odd is when you get an owner who has not had a problem that posts with a tone, it has neevr happened to my car so no drivers will suffer the same fate!!!
ineedagallardo said:
Just to clear the air on a few things chaps,
As confusing as it is, the sintered clutch is actually labelled as the "D"
"Sintered" is apparantly a strengthening thats applied to the key components.
These most deffinatly are bulletproof but come at a price costing more than 2 grand for the parts.
As for replacing the clutch i recently had mine done and it cost me £1500 supplied and fitted for the "E".
Less than porsche charged for a clutch change on a 996 TT
here you go! an interesting post
Sintered metal friction material, on the contrary, possesses a low friction coefficient and wears away at a low rate (that is, has excellent wear resistance), endures for a long period of time even when used under severe conditions, and has metallic properties including good thermal conductivity which permits frictional heat to escape to the outside and thereby prevents the occurrence of thermal crack (heat spot) in the mating members (that is, flywheel and pressure plate). However, it slips and noises frequently. Moreover, some supporting plates (or disk springs) to which masses of sintered metal friction material are fixed tend to be subjected to increased torques, so that breakage of such supporting plates may often occur. The reason is that the masses of sintered metal friction material fixed to the supporting plates vary in thickness within the tolerances and the torque is thus concentrated on the thickest ones. Furthermore, sintered metal friction material has the disadvantages of making a strong attack to the mating members (or pressure plate and flywheel) which are then ready to wear away and of being very high in price.
As confusing as it is, the sintered clutch is actually labelled as the "D"
"Sintered" is apparantly a strengthening thats applied to the key components.
These most deffinatly are bulletproof but come at a price costing more than 2 grand for the parts.
As for replacing the clutch i recently had mine done and it cost me £1500 supplied and fitted for the "E".
Less than porsche charged for a clutch change on a 996 TT
here you go! an interesting post
Sintered metal friction material, on the contrary, possesses a low friction coefficient and wears away at a low rate (that is, has excellent wear resistance), endures for a long period of time even when used under severe conditions, and has metallic properties including good thermal conductivity which permits frictional heat to escape to the outside and thereby prevents the occurrence of thermal crack (heat spot) in the mating members (that is, flywheel and pressure plate). However, it slips and noises frequently. Moreover, some supporting plates (or disk springs) to which masses of sintered metal friction material are fixed tend to be subjected to increased torques, so that breakage of such supporting plates may often occur. The reason is that the masses of sintered metal friction material fixed to the supporting plates vary in thickness within the tolerances and the torque is thus concentrated on the thickest ones. Furthermore, sintered metal friction material has the disadvantages of making a strong attack to the mating members (or pressure plate and flywheel) which are then ready to wear away and of being very high in price.
Edited by ineedagallardo on Wednesday 11th April 00:54
traxx said:
octane said:
Rest assured however, if you are driving in london traffic it will soon be finished anyway I regret to say.
I think the clutch is always going to be an issue, its a very small diameter clutch compared to say a 355 and thicker lining and materials have gone some way with the various upgrades to alleviate the matter. My pet theory is that its only the models 06 on, with different gearbox ratios to 'help the clutch' are the only ones that will last as they should the gearbox in previous models is just to high geared.
if your worried about the outlay to do a clutch on this car its probably the least of your concerns and best avoided if you consider there is no manufacturers warranty when the original runs out.
Rubbish I've driven my Spyder to the office in the City almost every day since last June
7,000 miles - many track days - 12% clutch wear
I'm with Doug, what a complete load of Crap!! When I had my rev C clutch changed out with the install of the new motor it had done roughly 12,000 miles and was only roughly half worn. My car is a manual and gets alot of hammer on the track by Joe public who have no idea how to drive a Lambo properly. With the new 'E' clutch it should definatley be good for 30k with no issues.
Just as a pointof clarity on revisions, All new manuals and subsequent clutch changes from now on will be fitted with the rev 'E' clutch. All E-gear cars will have the sintered clutch.
Hope this helps.
Andy.
It seems no-one here knows what sintering is.
Sintering is the process for producing the component and does not describe the materials used or the properties they display.
Basically sintering involves placing particles of material under heat and pressure. This allows melting of the metal particles (and possibly other materials if such are contained in the mix) at their interfaces so that you have a matrix of particles which are fused together, but which usually contain air pockets within the matrix. Sintering is often used for bearings as these voids between the particles can hold lubrication within the bearings themselves.
HTH
Sintering is the process for producing the component and does not describe the materials used or the properties they display.
Basically sintering involves placing particles of material under heat and pressure. This allows melting of the metal particles (and possibly other materials if such are contained in the mix) at their interfaces so that you have a matrix of particles which are fused together, but which usually contain air pockets within the matrix. Sintering is often used for bearings as these voids between the particles can hold lubrication within the bearings themselves.
HTH
355f said:
Dont be fooled by the wear rates read off the computer though! im afraid they use an algorithm as a guide to wear and as many owners have discovered it can throw up some very odd statistics! applies to f cars to.
You're absolutely right, and a point worth making.
The wear rate will be a guide only. Having said that, I know for a fact that Simon's 'E' clutch has done about 28,000 miles. Even as a guide, the "16% left" is the right side of the ball park.
Even if it's about to give up the ghost tomorrow, that's still a good clutch. Whether there is 16% or 2%.
I have told Simon that he's chancing it coming all the way to the factory with me with a clutch that's already done 28,000 miles, regardless of what the laptop says!
I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say I probably personally know more Gallardo owners than anyone in the UK (with the possible exception of Graham Schultz). The only time I ever hear whiniing about Gallardo clutches is from people on Pistonheads, who don't give their name, rough region they live in or have any profile information whatsoever. Or pics of their alledged supercar. Go figure.
OFF TOPIC. I'm going to offer some free advice to all newbies here.
Check the previous emails of posters before you take their advice. See if they've ever made any actual contributions to the forum or whether it's been mostly criticism and vague statements.
Have they ever met up with anyone else here? Does anything suggest that they really own the car they claim to have owned? If so, why no picture? He/she is supposed to be an enthusiast fer Christ sakes.
End of egg sucking lesson.
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