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348CT

Original Poster:

58 posts

227 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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can someone explain to me why the 456 seem to be so 'reasonably' priced compared to other Ferrari's.... are they simply a bad car or just not a fashionable model?


p.s. no offense intended to any owners in here i just am not an expert on these cars, personally like them and was curious on the pricing....


Edited by 348CT on Tuesday 26th February 16:39

3200gt

2,727 posts

254 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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Ferrari have never built a 4 seater that has maintained it's value well.
Take a look at mondial and 550 prices.
In the publics mind Ferrari = 2 seats.

Chris355

831 posts

226 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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3200GT - last time I looked 550's have 2 seats!

3200gt

2,727 posts

254 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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one in the glove box and one in the boot. admittedly they have to be small but you cant be sizeist in this day and age or somebody will get you for it.

Oh all right they have two getmecoat

rubystone

11,254 posts

289 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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Don't you know?

£130,000 for a bonnet, £75,000 for an engine rebuild and don't even mention the problems with the Flux Capacitor. Search on here for info on them.

One problem that they didn't ever really solve was the windows dropping, even on the "Modificato".


matc

4,738 posts

237 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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rubystone said:
£130,000 for a bonnet, £75,000 for an engine rebuild and don't even mention the problems with the Flux Capacitor.
Wouldn't worry too much about the price of the Flux Capacitor there are plenty of used ones knocking about at most scrappies!! hehe

IMO the 456 currently looks like a performance bargain, but as has been said they have always suffered by being a bit unloved.

MogulBoy

3,066 posts

253 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/326846.htm

^^^ Spotted this one in the classifieds last week and thought it looked lovely... and almost too cheap! Are they really that hard to shift?

After years of lusting after V8 Ferraris I'm beginning to think that the way forward is to go straight into a V12 for the same or less money..

In 5 years time, an 8 year old Scaglietti with a few miles on it for £50k would do the job nicely!



swansea v6

1,285 posts

255 months

Tuesday 26th February 2008
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That really is stunning and the price????? Crazy value..............

TIGA84

5,603 posts

261 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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MogulBoy said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/326846.htm

^^^ Spotted this one in the classifieds last week and thought it looked lovely... and almost too cheap! Are they really that hard to shift?

After years of lusting after V8 Ferraris I'm beginning to think that the way forward is to go straight into a V12 for the same or less money..

In 5 years time, an 8 year old Scaglietti with a few miles on it for £50k would do the job nicely!
Its broken though?

Vixpy1

42,699 posts

294 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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TIGA84 said:
MogulBoy said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/326846.htm

^^^ Spotted this one in the classifieds last week and thought it looked lovely... and almost too cheap! Are they really that hard to shift?

After years of lusting after V8 Ferraris I'm beginning to think that the way forward is to go straight into a V12 for the same or less money..

In 5 years time, an 8 year old Scaglietti with a few miles on it for £50k would do the job nicely!
Its broken though?
Why do people insist on typeing in CAPS, makes it almost impossible to read.

Marki

15,763 posts

300 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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andrew! said:
smashed on a test drive on friday frown
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Holy fk , how fast was it going when it "slid" on the mud yikes look at the door damage

jtremlett

1,630 posts

252 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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rubystone said:
Don't you know?

£130,000 for a bonnet, £75,000 for an engine rebuild and don't even mention the problems with the Flux Capacitor. Search on here for info on them.

One problem that they didn't ever really solve was the windows dropping, even on the "Modificato".
Amazing how these figures get inflated every time someone posts them. The bonnet is, I believe, carbon fibre and very expensive to replace...but then when was the last time you needed to replace the bonnet on a car? And when was the last time you needed to replace the bonnet out of your own pocket rather than an insurers?

£75k for an engine rebuild? I very much doubt it but perhaps 456 owners can chime in as to whether they've ever had an engine rebuild (I'm not aware of any offhand) and, if so what sort of cost was involved.

One of the reasons 456s are comparative bargains is because
of nonsense like this.

The truth is, as stated by others, that all Ferrari 2+2s depreciate at a greater rate than the 2 seaters. 456s are expensive to maintain (although not as absurdly so as these sorts of figures might have you believe) and there were some issues (like window seals) on the early cars.

Jonathan

rubystone

11,254 posts

289 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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jtremlett said:
rubystone said:
Don't you know?

£130,000 for a bonnet, £75,000 for an engine rebuild and don't even mention the problems with the Flux Capacitor. Search on here for info on them.

One problem that they didn't ever really solve was the windows dropping, even on the "Modificato".
Amazing how these figures get inflated every time someone posts them. The bonnet is, I believe, carbon fibre and very expensive to replace...but then when was the last time you needed to replace the bonnet on a car? And when was the last time you needed to replace the bonnet out of your own pocket rather than an insurers?

£75k for an engine rebuild? I very much doubt it but perhaps 456 owners can chime in as to whether they've ever had an engine rebuild (I'm not aware of any offhand) and, if so what sort of cost was involved.

One of the reasons 456s are comparative bargains is because
of nonsense like this.

The truth is, as stated by others, that all Ferrari 2+2s depreciate at a greater rate than the 2 seaters. 456s are expensive to maintain (although not as absurdly so as these sorts of figures might have you believe) and there were some issues (like window seals) on the early cars.

Jonathan
Ever heard of irony Jonathan...clearly not....but the bit about the "M" is true - and I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that.

One ohter thing to add - and this one's true too - they are slow sellers, so do not be afraid to haggle.

What's with the damaged car?...how much does he want for it? I extrapolate £32k based on his comment about it being £1500 below trade....if he's looking for that kind of money for it, I'd like to meet his dealer, 'cos clearly he sells top quality gear.

MogulBoy

3,066 posts

253 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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A tragic end for a beautiful car. I hope nobody was hurt and insurance was in place.

P.S. An a ligher note, the bonnet looks untouched! smile

3200gt

2,727 posts

254 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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I think it was originally up for £29,990 when this thread was fist posted. Now it has had a prang the price seems to have tripled to £99,990.
How does that work? who's gonna own up to bending it on the test drive? anyone on here?

3200gt

2,727 posts

254 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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andrew! said:
3200gt said:
who's gonna own up to bending it on the test drive? anyone on here?
it wasn't me
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Me thinks you protest too much sir!

VladTheDad

1,086 posts

247 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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3200gt said:
I think it was originally up for £29,990 when this thread was fist posted.
I don't like the idea of being fist posted!

I've wondered for some time what the catch is with these cars. I would quite like 4 seats for carrying the little 'un around from time to time (without resorting to the shopping car). I guess it comes down to insurance, servicing and the fact that 4 seater Fs are not that popular.

jtremlett

1,630 posts

252 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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rubystone said:
Ever heard of irony Jonathan...clearly not...
My apologies. I must be American! You read this kind of stuff posted so often as if it's fact that I failed to spot the intent in your post.

Jonathan


burriana

16,556 posts

284 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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Yep, bonnet costs about £8k but you would expect it to be covered by insurance if you slide a sandy covered canoe down it (don't laugh, it happened, although not on the Ferrari - our car hire chap in Spain looked a bit bemused biggrin ).

The engine rebuild will be the same as most other F V12s I guess, but the killer for me was simply the running costs. Two V12 services a year will make a dent in the "Sunday fun car" slush fund, and things like the rear suspension cost £5k a pop, so check very carefully for leaks when buying.

That said, bloody gorgeous cars and I would love one smile

rubystone

11,254 posts

289 months

Wednesday 27th February 2008
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jtremlett said:
rubystone said:
You read this kind of stuff posted so often as if it's fact that I failed to spot the intent in your post.

Jonathan
Yeah I know - that's why I added a few noughts and threw in a Flux Capacitor comment - surely everyone knows that they only fitted the Flux to the 575 Superamerica...rolleyes