Carbon vs steel brakes 430
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Traxx is right - do NOT get a 430 with the steels - even spirited road driving shreds them. They inspire no confidence at all and given that they're essentially the same brakes as the 360's this should come as no surprise.
I will go so far as saying steel brakes spoiled my car for me...bloody rubbish.
I will go so far as saying steel brakes spoiled my car for me...bloody rubbish.
Fair enough, I've not had a problem with the steel brakes on the Gallardo but they look a little beefier than the 430 items. I tried a 430 with the carbons and they do seem to work pretty well, but the cheapest I could see with carbons was 100k ish, whereas without is more in the 75k mark. As I've taken a mighty spanking on the Gallardo and I want to drive the 430 a bit more often, don't want to pay too much for one!
My Gallardo is Grey with grey roof and wheels, orange interior, manual, lift, sat nav, cupholder, cd, ipod, 6k miles on it, 2007 07 plate. Was Jeremy Clarkson's car before me, have had it since March 08.
My Gallardo is Grey with grey roof and wheels, orange interior, manual, lift, sat nav, cupholder, cd, ipod, 6k miles on it, 2007 07 plate. Was Jeremy Clarkson's car before me, have had it since March 08.
traxx said:
I think the simple answer is CCB will stop the car faster - and you cant put too high a price on safety
Be careful there. I had to stop quickly and had two cars behind me swerve onto the slip road as they couldn't stop as fast. I would still always go for ceramic brakes though.traxx said:
I think the simple answer is CCB will stop the car faster - and you cant put too high a price on safety
Do they really stop quicker if cold? I thought they needed to "warm up" to be most effective. So if your not nailing it then braking is no better.I spent 3000 miles nailing around the alps this summer and never once felt anything lacking. I've never tried CCB, and they may well be better, but I'm just saying that I'm glad I didnt shell out extra for them as havent seen a need. I dont track the car however.
Can you not try both out and then you can put a value on what you think the brakes are worth?
Was your car at the Goodwood supercar breakfast club in 2008?
ETA: This one?
Apologies for the poor pics. Lovely car though - really like the colour scheme
Was your car at the Goodwood supercar breakfast club in 2008?
ETA: This one?
Apologies for the poor pics. Lovely car though - really like the colour scheme
Edited by arryb on Monday 5th January 22:13
CCB are essential and after having them on mine i could not use a car without.
in addition to the increased brake performance have a look at the side profile of a F430 with steel brakes and then look at a F430 with carbons. the steels look like tin lids and way too small!!!!
i also feel it is essential for resale, all Ferrari's have them as standard now and buyers will edge towards cars with carbons.
in addition to the increased brake performance have a look at the side profile of a F430 with steel brakes and then look at a F430 with carbons. the steels look like tin lids and way too small!!!!
i also feel it is essential for resale, all Ferrari's have them as standard now and buyers will edge towards cars with carbons.
That's the one! Was a good fun drive down that day, came with my mate in the red 355 to the left.
Having had the Gallardo for a bit I've got a bit disappointed with the steering to be honest; it's just a bit wooden and doesn't inspire me with confidence. Drove a 430 straight after it and the difference was night and day. Also I don't really use the car enough because there's just no room in it for stuff, whereas a 430 is significantly better.
I was told by one of the lambo guys that the ccb business is just a way to rack up profit for the manufacturers, which is obvious I suppose but hard to know whether it's really worth trying.
I agree about the look though, steels just look so puny!
On another note, this looks like a good car: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/775922.htm - but the front looks like it's been lowered and whilst it looks way better, I'm led to believe it invalidates the warranty?
Having had the Gallardo for a bit I've got a bit disappointed with the steering to be honest; it's just a bit wooden and doesn't inspire me with confidence. Drove a 430 straight after it and the difference was night and day. Also I don't really use the car enough because there's just no room in it for stuff, whereas a 430 is significantly better.
I was told by one of the lambo guys that the ccb business is just a way to rack up profit for the manufacturers, which is obvious I suppose but hard to know whether it's really worth trying.
I agree about the look though, steels just look so puny!
On another note, this looks like a good car: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/775922.htm - but the front looks like it's been lowered and whilst it looks way better, I'm led to believe it invalidates the warranty?
petestorey said:
On another note, this looks like a good car: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/775922.htm - but the front looks like it's been lowered and whilst it looks way better, I'm led to believe it invalidates the warranty?
The warranty is only invalid on any parts that fail as a result of the non-manufacturer modifications; so if the engine were to fail for example the warranty would still pay out, but not if the front suspension units collapsed.Lovely G by the way; I didn't realise JC had sold it....do you happen to know what he changed it for?
I wanted CC on the 430 I bought but I also wanted Carbon seats and black interior. At the time I could not find one for the right price. So my car has the steels and yes they are not very impressive, but for road driving (unless your driving it like you stole it;) ) they are fine. If you think about it if you can activate the abs then that's all you need in braking performance on the road. That said I am considering getting some six pot calipers and bigger discs on the front of my car - it should be in the region of 2k - so some what cheaper than CC's.
kryten22uk said:
traxx said:
I think the simple answer is CCB will stop the car faster - and you cant put too high a price on safety
Do they really stop quicker if cold? I thought they needed to "warm up" to be most effective. So if your not nailing it then braking is no better.I spent 3000 miles nailing around the alps this summer and never once felt anything lacking. I've never tried CCB, and they may well be better, but I'm just saying that I'm glad I didnt shell out extra for them as havent seen a need. I dont track the car however.
Absolutely fantastic IMO, and the fact that Ferrari have made them standard fitment across the range now, must mean an iron-clad car must be less desirable and harder to sell.
Not that I've noticed. The Spider seems just as stiff as the Coupe and I have driven both on track.
The F430 was designed to be also a Spider from the beginning, unlike, say, the F355 which had to be adapted from the Berlinetta's design.
Silverstone/Bordeaux is the all-time classic colour combo for that car IMO. Just resist buying a Rosso Corsa one!
The F430 was designed to be also a Spider from the beginning, unlike, say, the F355 which had to be adapted from the Berlinetta's design.
Silverstone/Bordeaux is the all-time classic colour combo for that car IMO. Just resist buying a Rosso Corsa one!
No worries on that front. I'd really like to have a tour de france/creme one but I've never seen a 430 in it weirdly. How noisy is the spider day to day? If I had one I would intend to use it rather more than I have the Gallardo hence the coupe idea but I do like to get topless if poss!
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