So much for no more manual ferrari...
Discussion
MaxAndRuby said:
Hopefully they'll change their minds on the 458 aswell.
There is no room on a 458 for a manual box. The car was designed around the DCT box which is a fairly compact unit. The California was designed for both options from the outset and subsequently has the space for a rear transaxle manual box.isuk said:
MaxAndRuby said:
Hopefully they'll change their minds on the 458 aswell.
There is no room on a 458 for a manual box. The car was designed around the DCT box which is a fairly compact unit. The California was designed for both options from the outset and subsequently has the space for a rear transaxle manual box.They always said the cali would eventually come with a manual
I still wouldn't buy one, don't like the looks and its too much of a cruiser for me
The manual is unlikely to cost more
Real shame about the 458 and no manual option, I'd say it unlikely they'd go back on that
My dream car would be a 360cs with a manual, I like F1 on my cs but I'd love an open gate. Imagine the downchanges of your own doing!
I still wouldn't buy one, don't like the looks and its too much of a cruiser for me
The manual is unlikely to cost more
Real shame about the 458 and no manual option, I'd say it unlikely they'd go back on that
My dream car would be a 360cs with a manual, I like F1 on my cs but I'd love an open gate. Imagine the downchanges of your own doing!
ferrari spider said:
I remember reading about how there would be no way a manual box will fit a California. Mainly because Ferrari designed the car for the auto box, Bla bla bla. Egg truly on face with this one.
Good new that there is a manual Cali, lets wait and see about the 458.
The manual box on the California was discussed at the official launch at Maranello back in 2008. Don't forget that the Cali started out as a Maserati project so was destined to take the transaxle F1 'box fitted to the GranTurismo S. Fitting a manual transaxle box was therefore never going to be an issue. Good new that there is a manual Cali, lets wait and see about the 458.
The delayed introduction of the manual is more of a two-fold marketing ploy. It got the motoring press used to the idea of a DCT in a Ferrari by making the Cali initially DCT only and had them all champing at the bit to try this box in the 458. It also ensures that the California is given additional press coverage 18 months after the original launch and pops back up on potential buyers radars with new press test drives of the manual box cars. On top of this Ferrari gained over 12 months real world on the road "testing" of the DCT box in customer Cali's to see what, if any, bugs developed before the launch of the brand crucial mid engined V8. Smart move on their part.
The 458 is a different prospect entirely as it's chassis was never engineered for a larger manual gearbox so I wouldn't hold our breath hoping for the introduction of such a model.
so what you all want is a slower car right?. Why not buy an older slower manual car and stop whinging. Imagine paddle shift cars had been the norm from day one. You opo along to a car showroom and the salesperson says. "hey we got this great new system. We've done away with those stupid paddle things entirely and guess what???? What you do is press your foot on this pedal down here next to the brake and then take your hand off the steering wheel and push or pull this lever here to change gear" Move on for God's sake!!!
boltthrower said:
so what you all want is a slower car right?. Why not buy an older slower manual car and stop whinging. Imagine paddle shift cars had been the norm from day one. You opo along to a car showroom and the salesperson says. "hey we got this great new system. We've done away with those stupid paddle things entirely and guess what???? What you do is press your foot on this pedal down here next to the brake and then take your hand off the steering wheel and push or pull this lever here to change gear" Move on for God's sake!!!
Nope, you've completely missed the point. People want a car that in their opinion is more fun to drive, which does not necessarily mean faster/easier. There are many people who simply prefer doing more of the driving themselves (i.e. changing gear), equally there are others who prefer paddleshift. If you've had experience of both types of gearbox in a performance car, you'll know which you prefer which is great, in which case don't make crass comments like above and leave people to decide what they do and don't want in a new car. If you haven't driven both in a performance car, maybe refrain from making sweeping judgements about something of which you have no experience.
Basically, either way, comment more sensibly.
All IMHO
boltthrower said:
so what you all want is a slower car right?. Why not buy an older slower manual car and stop whinging. Imagine paddle shift cars had been the norm from day one. You opo along to a car showroom and the salesperson says. "hey we got this great new system. We've done away with those stupid paddle things entirely and guess what???? What you do is press your foot on this pedal down here next to the brake and then take your hand off the steering wheel and push or pull this lever here to change gear" Move on for God's sake!!!
Thanks for that Out of interest how do you find the F1 system on your Ferrari compared to any classic gated ferraris you have driven/owned? boltthrower said:
so what you all want is a slower car right?. Why not buy an older slower manual car and stop whinging. Imagine paddle shift cars had been the norm from day one. You opo along to a car showroom and the salesperson says. "hey we got this great new system. We've done away with those stupid paddle things entirely and guess what???? What you do is press your foot on this pedal down here next to the brake and then take your hand off the steering wheel and push or pull this lever here to change gear" Move on for God's sake!!!
I personally don't take a stopwatch with me when I'm out in my car, what I want from performance is for the power to push me back into the seat when I'm accelerating. The fact that changing gear manually (something I like doing - illogical maybe, but I like pressing the clutch in, I like moving the gearstick, and I like releasing the clutch) slows me down slightly in comparison to the rapid change in an F1, for me just adds to the push in the back that the next wave of torque has in store for me.Just what I like from a high performance car.
If you take your argument to it's logical conclusion, you'll want a GPS controlled car where you can simply enter a destination and watch the world go by. Saved from the bother of all that steering nonsense.
A question for the F1 owners. How long did it take you to get used to the F1 box?
I've driven a 360 with the F1 box just once and I found it very hard to remember what gear I was in. With a manual box you always have a feel for where you are as you know where you left the gear stick, but with the F1 system, for me it was just a number on the dash.
I've driven a 360 with the F1 box just once and I found it very hard to remember what gear I was in. With a manual box you always have a feel for where you are as you know where you left the gear stick, but with the F1 system, for me it was just a number on the dash.
Webber3 said:
I've driven a 360 with the F1 box just once and I found it very hard to remember what gear I was in. With a manual box you always have a feel for where you are as you know where you left the gear stick, but with the F1 system, for me it was just a number on the dash.
Wow that sounds really odd to me as i am reading it. You find it very hard to remember what gear you are in on an F1, and yet you are aware of the gear number on the dash????? How does that siht work?
ferrari spider said:
Webber3 said:
I've driven a 360 with the F1 box just once and I found it very hard to remember what gear I was in. With a manual box you always have a feel for where you are as you know where you left the gear stick, but with the F1 system, for me it was just a number on the dash.
Wow that sounds really odd to me as i am reading it. You find it very hard to remember what gear you are in on an F1, and yet you are aware of the gear number on the dash????? How does that siht work?
Ah got ya In fact the F1 system does not take ya long to get used to at all. Its exactly like riding a motor cycle its some thing one gets used to and feels through the car using seat of the pants and engine noise ect. F1 is no problem at all, took me very short order to drive an F1 equipped F430 and 599.
In fact the F1 system does not take ya long to get used to at all. Its exactly like riding a motor cycle its some thing one gets used to and feels through the car using seat of the pants and engine noise ect. F1 is no problem at all, took me very short order to drive an F1 equipped F430 and 599. Hi Ferrari Spyder
Sorry for the delay. In my fantasy garage I have a 355 Berlinetta and..............it's a manual!!!!!!!!
I love old manuals but new stuff has to be paddle. Why have this chase for HP and and all the rest of the more more more bollix and then shave off performance with a spanish box. Think about it. It don't make sense. If you want fun then buy cars that are more fun (and slower)if you want what today has to offer then buy what it has to offer and use it for what it's designed for. Trust me...belting hard round a circuit or round a tricky mountain pass give me paddles every time.
Sorry for the delay. In my fantasy garage I have a 355 Berlinetta and..............it's a manual!!!!!!!!
I love old manuals but new stuff has to be paddle. Why have this chase for HP and and all the rest of the more more more bollix and then shave off performance with a spanish box. Think about it. It don't make sense. If you want fun then buy cars that are more fun (and slower)if you want what today has to offer then buy what it has to offer and use it for what it's designed for. Trust me...belting hard round a circuit or round a tricky mountain pass give me paddles every time.
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