458 detail & paint correction

[traxx]

Interesting thread which once again is not exactly an advert of the quality of Ferrari paint

http://www.detailedimage.com/Ask-a-Pro/full-detail...

[stephen300o]

But detailers are a bit odd.

[omgus]

^^^ I was just thinking that. He did do an epic job though, but detailers are often the most geeky of car geeks.

[paddy328]

So many new ferrari's come looking like crap from the factory and in that respect, they are much like aston martin.

We detailing types are slight car geeks, but if it was my car being detailed, i would rather have it done by a real enthusiast that would go the extra mile, than someone that didnt realy care.

[Funk]

You'd think that with the cost of these cars, Ferrari would pay someone to paint-correct each car before delivery. It must make a massive difference to see it looking its very best, compared with how it left the supplying dealer.

[teen_cerbera]

Funk said:

You'd think that with the cost of these cars, Ferrari would pay someone to paint-correct each car before delivery. It must make a massive difference to see it looking its very best, compared with how it left the supplying dealer.

It is very bad to see card leaving the factory like this. There should deffo be a team of detailers going over each and every car before it leaves the factory.

[Funk]

teen_cerbera said:

Funk said:

You'd think that with the cost of these cars, Ferrari would pay someone to paint-correct each car before delivery. It must make a massive difference to see it looking its very best, compared with how it left the supplying dealer.

It is very bad to see card leaving the factory like this. There should deffo be a team of detailers going over each and every car before it leaves the factory.

I wouldn't agree that it should happen at the factory; the cars will get dirty in transport to the various corners of the world. I would think that on a £100-200k car, the cost of a professional working locally with a dealer to paint-correct all cars prior to collection by the new owner would be worth it. It would also generate local work for these guys.

Not to mention that the car should stay looking better for longer.

[Streetrod]

As someone who has painted his own cars to show winning standards for the last 30 years I am constantly disappointed by the quality of paint that comes out of these so called premier brands. The constant quest for profits at all costs has seen the quality drop through the floor.

An Enzo that will now cost you in excess of $800k is a classic example. It’s what I call a five meter car, as from five meters away they look great but as you get closer you suddenly realise how badly they are put together and finished. I take absolutely no joy in these comments. Lamborghini are also guilty of a similar lack of quality control as has been born out by the comments of a couple of owners on this forum.

It’s a shame but a good detailer could set himself up well if he forged a good relationship with a dealer

[Funk]

Not disputing fit, but I thought that the paint on the Enzo was purposely very thin? You can see the CF weave through it iirc.

[Streetrod]

Funk said:

Not disputing fit, but I thought that the paint on the Enzo was purposely very thin? You can see the CF weave through it iirc.

You may be right, but lets be honest that is just PR spin. The weight advantage of using one layer of paint rather than two or three is so small as to be totally insignificant. We are being played for mugs.

I will be at the FOS this weekend where I expect to see a number of classics with mile deep paint jobs. Yes these will have been resprayed over the years but having seen a number of original paint jobs you can see the effort that had gone into them using far inferior products than we are used to today

[stephen300o]

Streetrod said:

Funk said:

Not disputing fit, but I thought that the paint on the Enzo was purposely very thin? You can see the CF weave through it iirc.

You may be right, but lets be honest that is just PR spin. The weight advantage of using one layer of paint rather than two or three is so small as to be totally insignificant. We are being played for mugs.

I will be at the FOS this weekend where I expect to see a number of classics with mile deep paint jobs. Yes these will have been resprayed over the years but having seen a number of original paint jobs you can see the effort that had gone into them using far inferior products than we are used to today

Not everyone is really that bothered by swirl marks or the odd blemish, it's just paint.

[Funk]

stephen300o said:

Streetrod said:

Funk said:

Not disputing fit, but I thought that the paint on the Enzo was purposely very thin? You can see the CF weave through it iirc.

You may be right, but lets be honest that is just PR spin. The weight advantage of using one layer of paint rather than two or three is so small as to be totally insignificant. We are being played for mugs.

I will be at the FOS this weekend where I expect to see a number of classics with mile deep paint jobs. Yes these will have been resprayed over the years but having seen a number of original paint jobs you can see the effort that had gone into them using far inferior products than we are used to today

Not everyone is really that bothered by swirl marks or the odd blemish, it's just paint.

I'm not sure I agree with that.

I just think that many people have never seen what their car SHOULD look like. The difference between the before/after shots in the link are astonishing. The car takes on a whole new vibrancy and the colour really comes through. For the sake of a few hundred quid (and making it easier to clean, and no doubt for the paint to last longer) it's got to be worth doing - especially on a car worth a couple of hundred thousand.

[iandc]

saying "its just paint" is like saying its just an engine if your new £200k car break down as you take it out of the showroom. Will be interesting to see if McLaren can do any better. There really is no excuse for a car coming out of the factory or dealer looking like that Ferrari.

[Funk]

The paint on the left looks like it belongs on a car that's 10 years old, not one that was collected from the dealer the day before:

[stephen300o]

iandc said:

saying "its just paint" is like saying its just an engine if your new £200k car break down as you take it out of the showroom. Will be interesting to see if McLaren can do any better. There really is no excuse for a car coming out of the factory or dealer looking like that Ferrari.

I don't think there are many supercar owners stranded on the side of the road due to paint swirls lol.
Some overstate the difference a bit of polish makes, usually just after they've invested in a huge pot of expensive ubberwax.

[Jaykaybi]

stephen300o said:

iandc said:

saying "its just paint" is like saying its just an engine if your new £200k car break down as you take it out of the showroom. Will be interesting to see if McLaren can do any better. There really is no excuse for a car coming out of the factory or dealer looking like that Ferrari.

I don't think there are many supercar owners stranded on the side of the road due to paint swirls lol.
Some overstate the difference a bit of polish makes, usually just after they've invested in a huge pot of expensive ubberwax.

Waxes schmaxes. The polishing process takes days and is akin to cosmetic surgery. Waxes and other substances are merely short term make up that can never match the results of doing the job properly.

I know a detailer who - and this has been scientifically and independantly verified, using gloss meters - can perfect the finish on a car to such a high standard that adding a wax afterwards, even a stupidly expensive one from a halo manufacturer, can only REDUCE the gloss because it's extremely slightly optically unclear.

Sure, a Sunday afternoon and a bag of products can make a car look pretty nice, but on a £200k car I simply cannot fathom keeping it in anything other than tip-top condition for the sake of a couple of hundred. And it's not just me!

[steelej]

I was at the factory a few weeks back and had a chance to have a very close look at a 458 that just rolled off the production line. It was very easy to see paint defects in the lighting used in the factory and the paint finish was pretty much perfect, lots of clarity very, little defects, I was actually very surprised. I think a lot of the problem comes from these cars being prepared by some of the dealers. Shoddy repairs and poor polishing don't neccesarily come from the factory, I'm sure some do but from what I saw the cars looked pretty good rolling off the line.

John.

[Jaykaybi]

steelej said:

I think a lot of the problem comes from these cars being prepared by some of the dealers.

Very true also, unfortunately

[CARUSER]

Sorry guys
I think most of this is sad bullst! The guy is cleaning inside the exhaust tips! Painting tyres! I thought these things were to be driven! Maybe I have weird ideas about what cars are for, but if your going to be that ultra precious about your car, buy a poster and look at it.
I have been to several Farrari concourse events in the past and enterd one of my past cars, it seems to devolve to a competition of 'how clean is my car'!! Didn't find many other people who had driven 350 miles throuh all weather to have a laugh and carry on!
It is your car after all and you can use it or abuse it to your liking, but please don't pretent this is appreciation of a car as a car for intended purpose!
Shouldnt this thread be somewhere else? Cool if detailing is your thing, but it isn't anything to do with owning a car for intended purpose and with respect shouldnt be on this part of the forum.
frankly I think this type of thread gioves Ferrari owners a bad name

[Magic919]

Most cars look pretty poor when inspected closely and with the right kind of light. I've yet to see dealers paying to correct the paint, but concerned enthusiasts (a minority) pay their favourite detailer to sort it out on delivery