Classic Ferrari dealer
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Go to Dion at Elms - www.elmscollection.com 01245 426 587
He moves a lot of big money classic Ferraris under the radar. IE he has access to cars which aren't officially for sale and thus never turn up in the classifieds.
He moves a lot of big money classic Ferraris under the radar. IE he has access to cars which aren't officially for sale and thus never turn up in the classifieds.
Rico said:
Go to Dion at Elms - www.elmscollection.com 01245 426 587
He moves a lot of big money classic Ferraris under the radar. IE he has access to cars which aren't officially for sale and thus never turn up in the classifieds.
oh great choiceHe moves a lot of big money classic Ferraris under the radar. IE he has access to cars which aren't officially for sale and thus never turn up in the classifieds.
This question is asking for surety. IMHO, there is no such thing in the classic Ferrari market.
DK Engineering has a great name but I've seen some stuff come from there that just didn't cut the mustard.
The very best thing to do, if you want surety, is to buy a car that you've known yourself for a long time. This is the long game, obviously, because it requires that you are active in Ferrari circles for a long time and that you are willing to wait for that special car until it comes onto the market. Second best is to have a specialist you can trust hunt for a car for you. Third best is to use your own knowledge to find a good car. They are out there, but you need to be knowledgeable and likely you only become knowledgeable from making mistakes. I thought I bought a very good '74 Boxer (huge history file, perfectly straight car, just out of restoration) but was still disappointed. Nothing that money couldn't fix, but it was a surprise.
In the end - you have to trust your luck a little and risk that sometimes you're going to come up short. But always - ALWAYS - learn as much as you can yourself, and visit several examples of the model you want. You will start to see what the differences are pretty quickly. Even when you buy a good one, you can still end up with a GBP30k bill easily. Very easily.
Even with all that, I find them worth the effort. Fantastic cars, if you have a good one. Good luck!
Onno
DK Engineering has a great name but I've seen some stuff come from there that just didn't cut the mustard.
The very best thing to do, if you want surety, is to buy a car that you've known yourself for a long time. This is the long game, obviously, because it requires that you are active in Ferrari circles for a long time and that you are willing to wait for that special car until it comes onto the market. Second best is to have a specialist you can trust hunt for a car for you. Third best is to use your own knowledge to find a good car. They are out there, but you need to be knowledgeable and likely you only become knowledgeable from making mistakes. I thought I bought a very good '74 Boxer (huge history file, perfectly straight car, just out of restoration) but was still disappointed. Nothing that money couldn't fix, but it was a surprise.
In the end - you have to trust your luck a little and risk that sometimes you're going to come up short. But always - ALWAYS - learn as much as you can yourself, and visit several examples of the model you want. You will start to see what the differences are pretty quickly. Even when you buy a good one, you can still end up with a GBP30k bill easily. Very easily.
Even with all that, I find them worth the effort. Fantastic cars, if you have a good one. Good luck!
Onno
DonkeyApple said:
Quick question.
If you wanted to buy a classic Ferrari but wanted to ensure that you bought the absolute best example available, who is the main dealer in the UK for this end of the market?
TIA.
Simple answer is that it depends on what classic Ferrari you want to buy, if it’s something seriously rare, then your choice would be to either wait until the right car came up for sale, or to buy what was available and restore to the standard you want.If you wanted to buy a classic Ferrari but wanted to ensure that you bought the absolute best example available, who is the main dealer in the UK for this end of the market?
TIA.
If it’s something almost mass produced like a 365GTB/4, then it would be a case of looking at or having somebody look at the cars available within the market at that time and picking the best example in the spec you want,
Don’t forget that there are dozens of cars that whilst not actively being advertised, are known to be for sale for the right amount or to the right person
Edited by AndrewW-G on Sunday 31st October 22:37
AndrewW-G said:
DonkeyApple said:
Quick question.
If you wanted to buy a classic Ferrari but wanted to ensure that you bought the absolute best example available, who is the main dealer in the UK for this end of the market?
TIA.
Simple answer is that it depends on what classic Ferrari you want to buy, if it’s something seriously rare, then your choice would be to either wait until the right car came up for sale, or to buy what was available and restore to the standard you want.If you wanted to buy a classic Ferrari but wanted to ensure that you bought the absolute best example available, who is the main dealer in the UK for this end of the market?
TIA.
If it’s something almost mass produced like a 365GTB/4, then it would be a case of looking at or having somebody look at the cars available within the market at that time and picking the best example in the spec you want,
Don’t forget that there are dozens of cars that whilst not actively being advertised, are known to be for sale for the right amount or to the right person
Edited by AndrewW-G on Sunday 31st October 22:37
It's a Boxer I'm thinking of adding. Not exactly being a big follower of Ferrari, I'm keen to see who the most trusted company may be to source the best example without any blarney and shystering.
DonkeyApple said:
AndrewW-G said:
DonkeyApple said:
Quick question.
If you wanted to buy a classic Ferrari but wanted to ensure that you bought the absolute best example available, who is the main dealer in the UK for this end of the market?
TIA.
Simple answer is that it depends on what classic Ferrari you want to buy, if it’s something seriously rare, then your choice would be to either wait until the right car came up for sale, or to buy what was available and restore to the standard you want.If you wanted to buy a classic Ferrari but wanted to ensure that you bought the absolute best example available, who is the main dealer in the UK for this end of the market?
TIA.
If it’s something almost mass produced like a 365GTB/4, then it would be a case of looking at or having somebody look at the cars available within the market at that time and picking the best example in the spec you want,
Don’t forget that there are dozens of cars that whilst not actively being advertised, are known to be for sale for the right amount or to the right person
Edited by AndrewW-G on Sunday 31st October 22:37
It's a Boxer I'm thinking of adding. Not exactly being a big follower of Ferrari, I'm keen to see who the most trusted company may be to source the best example without any blarney and shystering.
Is it a specific BB (365 512 512i?)or spec you want? I'm aware of a couple of class winners on or about to go onto the market, including a blue 512i that the owner is thinking of selling as somebody may have just put him into a 365GTB/4
AndrewW-G said:
DonkeyApple said:
AndrewW-G said:
DonkeyApple said:
Quick question.
If you wanted to buy a classic Ferrari but wanted to ensure that you bought the absolute best example available, who is the main dealer in the UK for this end of the market?
TIA.
Simple answer is that it depends on what classic Ferrari you want to buy, if it’s something seriously rare, then your choice would be to either wait until the right car came up for sale, or to buy what was available and restore to the standard you want.If you wanted to buy a classic Ferrari but wanted to ensure that you bought the absolute best example available, who is the main dealer in the UK for this end of the market?
TIA.
If it’s something almost mass produced like a 365GTB/4, then it would be a case of looking at or having somebody look at the cars available within the market at that time and picking the best example in the spec you want,
Don’t forget that there are dozens of cars that whilst not actively being advertised, are known to be for sale for the right amount or to the right person
Edited by AndrewW-G on Sunday 31st October 22:37
It's a Boxer I'm thinking of adding. Not exactly being a big follower of Ferrari, I'm keen to see who the most trusted company may be to source the best example without any blarney and shystering.
Is it a specific BB (365 512 512i?)or spec you want? I'm aware of a couple of class winners on or about to go onto the market, including a blue 512i that the owner is thinking of selling as somebody may have just put him into a 365GTB/4
DonkeyApple said:
I'm assuming that the 365 is the more desirable if in the correct condition?
It's all down to personal taste, there are less 365's than 512's, it's the purer shape and is quicker on paper, it's also the least sorted of the BB's . . . . . cant comment on which is the better investment as IMHO they are for driving and not sitting under a dust cover waiting for the market to rise . . . . . or fall AndrewW-G said:
DonkeyApple said:
I'm assuming that the 365 is the more desirable if in the correct condition?
It's all down to personal taste, there are less 365's than 512's, it's the purer shape and is quicker on paper, it's also the least sorted of the BB's . . . . . cant comment on which is the better investment as IMHO they are for driving and not sitting under a dust cover waiting for the market to rise . . . . . or fall Something like this would certainly be used less than usual but still used.
The key is that I very much like the shape of the cars from this era and if something is going to go into the garage then it needs to be one best suited to protect it's value.
I can't justify a 288, which I personally feel is the best looking Fez of all time, it's just too much money to leave lying around.
I love 308s, 328s and the BBs.
My dilema is that I suspect a really good 328 can be got for under £50k and will probably hold value and even if not a fall isn't the end of the world, but I have a suspecion that each time I drove it I would be thinking that I should have bought a BB.
I'm in no rush as I've run out of garage space and I already have something being currently restored and due for delivery around Xmas but I'm planning on increasing garage space next year.
I can't believe no one has mentioned Mike Wheeler at Rardley. He is the most honest guy I have ever spoken to and knows (or has sold) virtually every car I have seen for sale. Hes' even sent me details of a car that is on the makret that he has sold before!
Unlike others I won't name, he doesn't always seem to be after making his turn on a car. Honestly, one car I know ended up nigh on double the price the vendor received for it, simply because of the number of hands it passed through on the way to the eventual purchaser.
It's true to say that there seems to be a story with every car out there; good or bad. Some traders seem to specialise in certain types of car too.
Unlike others I won't name, he doesn't always seem to be after making his turn on a car. Honestly, one car I know ended up nigh on double the price the vendor received for it, simply because of the number of hands it passed through on the way to the eventual purchaser.
It's true to say that there seems to be a story with every car out there; good or bad. Some traders seem to specialise in certain types of car too.
DonkeyApple said:
I'm assuming that the 365 is the more desirable if in the correct condition?
You can register with FerrariLife.com and download the FerrariLife Quarterly, issue #10, and read the article I wrote on deciding which Boxer to buy, after driving all 3 variants on 1 day. I own two 365BB's at the moment.When I drove all variants I found it amazing how different they are. For me, there is no comparison, the 365BB is the most desirable. It is a raw, uncompromising car and consequently a lot less comfortable than the 512s. This may, or may not, be to your liking. It certainly has the best soundtrack as it is carbs + high revs (the 512BB revs less high and the difference in sound in those 700 rpms is substantial). The 365BB also has a peakier engine with less torque, making it more of a machine that you push into the red all the time. Which I like. The difference between the 512BBi and 512BB is also significant, the BBi being much more civilised and easier to drive. It's also less raw and you'll miss the carburettor sound. You really need to decide for yourself. Congrats on your taste, BTW, Boxers are awesome.
BTW - if you are really keen, my RHD 365 Boxer is possibly for sale as I spend too little time in the UK. It is a good car, restored in 2007 thru 2008, with a large history file.
As far as investment potential goes - the 365's are by far the most desirable as they are the rarest and have the cleanest looks, without spoilers. Only 87 RHD ones were made, of which 58 went to the UK. At the moment, they are not commanding the prices in the UK that they should. A (very) good one in Europe is EUR150k+ (GBP130k+). The Ferrari factory told me they are expecting the Boxer to go towards Daytona values. So yes, I think now is a good time to buy.
I have heard lots of great stories about Rardley Motors too.
Onno
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