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carcar

Original Poster:

48 posts

186 months

Sunday 22nd May 2011
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rebuilding 997 engine after cylinder liner failure at 19000 miles
having already found a number of things to change I have taken down the bottom end to replace the conrods from the cracked cap design.
can anyone explain this misalignment in 4 of the big end bearings??

Pumaracing

2,089 posts

231 months

Sunday 22nd May 2011
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Well it's not exactly the puzzle of the century. Either the tang is in the wrong place on some of the bearings or the cutout is in the wrong place on some of the rods. You have the bits in front of you. Do some measuring!

stevieturbo

17,987 posts

271 months

Sunday 22nd May 2011
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Why are you replacing the rods ? At least with a cracked cap, they are almost idiot proof in terms of mixing parts up.

carcar

Original Poster:

48 posts

186 months

Sunday 22nd May 2011
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didnt expect this level of engineering
this is the first time its been stripped from new

stevieturbo

17,987 posts

271 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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carcar said:
didnt expect this level of engineering
this is the first time its been stripped from new
So that picture IS the cracked cap and installed correctly ? Weird.

RKDE

569 posts

234 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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Doesn't look like the right cap on it, but then the photo is not that clear. The crack should almost be invisible when together

carcar

Original Poster:

48 posts

186 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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oh god
what do you think i did ,took em off and mixed them up ?
look at the wear line in the centre
they are as they came off,orientation everything,you cant mix up crack caps.
3 of them look like this and one isnt as bad
the reason for the post is to get an opinion why a car at this level or any car for that matter would be like this
remember this is stripped from new at 19000 miles

crossle

1,520 posts

275 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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Pumaracing said:
Well it's not exactly the puzzle of the century. Either the tang is in the wrong place on some of the bearings or the cutout is in the wrong place on some of the rods. You have the bits in front of you. Do some measuring!
I'd be very interested to hear your views on stem seals and shimming David, so perhaps you could get in touch?

You have my contact details.

Many thanks

Paul

stevieturbo

17,987 posts

271 months

Monday 23rd May 2011
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carcar said:
oh god
what do you think i did ,took em off and mixed them up ?
look at the wear line in the centre
they are as they came off,orientation everything,you cant mix up crack caps.
3 of them look like this and one isnt as bad
the reason for the post is to get an opinion why a car at this level or any car for that matter would be like this
remember this is stripped from new at 19000 miles
Only answer is...havent a clue !

I know it's a longshot. But have you tried emailing Porsche ? It certainly isnt anything Ive ever seen in an engine before.
Or some Porsche rebuild places ? Even RUF etc ? You never know, you may get a response.

carcar

Original Poster:

48 posts

186 months

Tuesday 24th May 2011
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stevieturbo said:
Only answer is...havent a clue !

I know it's a longshot. But have you tried emailing Porsche ? It certainly isnt anything Ive ever seen in an engine before.
Or some Porsche rebuild places ? Even RUF etc ? You never know, you may get a response.
ok
porsche have had seven chances to step up to the plate over the cylinder liners
there response was that its not a problem that they recognise as only a very few engines have had a failures !!!
this finding however is another point which i would like to take up with them and my reason for putting these pics up on the forum is to get some input and maybe technical
explanations before i go down that route


Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

279 months

Wednesday 25th May 2011
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I'd start within doing as Pumaracing suggested, get the verniers out and find out which bits have been made inaccurately.

stevieturbo

17,987 posts

271 months

Wednesday 25th May 2011
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Are there any other Porsche resources you can contact who may have stripped similar engines ?
If yours is like this, surely others must be too ? As odd as it seems, maybe there is a reason ?

virgil

1,557 posts

248 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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Is there anything to prevent the wrong cap being put on the wrong rod in the factory? Nothing is infallible...unlikelybyes, but not impossible...

DrDeAtH

3,680 posts

256 months

Thursday 2nd June 2011
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i think you will find, that crack caps will not be able to be assembled to a rod other than the original, this is due to the unique way the joint faces separate. they will only match each other.

the pic does look like it could be a tang out of position.

chormy

636 posts

220 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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Anyupdate !!