running problems after head gasket
running problems after head gasket
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wizzbilly

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955 posts

223 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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blew headgasket on car so changed it head skimmed new gasket etc

now car wont idle well it does but very rough trying to stall all time but drives fine

when change gear revs jump up

car is a saab 9000 2.3 engine chain driven

any ideas on this before spend anymore time messing .


Nick1point9

3,920 posts

210 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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How much was skimmed? Any evidence the head may have been skimmed before? I guess it's possible that the squish zone has been affected by the skim.

But I await more informed people to say otherwise!

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

273 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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Probably something disturbed when the work was done and not put back properly; Idle valve, TPS, some pipework, cam timing, etc....

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

273 months

Friday 26th October 2012
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Nick1point9 said:
How much was skimmed? Any evidence the head may have been skimmed before? I guess it's possible that the squish zone has been affected by the skim.

But I await more informed people to say otherwise!
Nooo, no matter how much you skim from that head the squish clearance won't change, that is altered by the block (deck height), piston height and head gasket thickness.

wizzbilly

Original Poster:

955 posts

223 months

Saturday 27th October 2012
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was only a light skim on head but this would only alter the compreshion ratio not poor running .

have got a check list to do tommorow

Throtle postion sensoer
double check all boost hoses and intercooler

no CEL lights and no lamba sensor

TheEnd

15,370 posts

218 months

Saturday 27th October 2012
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An air leak seems to fit, especially with the revs increasing on changing gear and almost stalling.
If the idle valve is disconnected, it'll be able to rev by itself on air getting past the throttle, and at idle, air can come in at that point and the MAF gets not readings for air coming in the normal way.

PaulKemp

979 posts

175 months

Saturday 27th October 2012
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Double check cam timing, you could be a tooth out

Nick1point9

3,920 posts

210 months

Saturday 27th October 2012
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Evoluzione said:
Nooo, no matter how much you skim from that head the squish clearance won't change, that is altered by the block (deck height), piston height and head gasket thickness.
Touché! I knew someone would be along to correct me!

TheEnd

15,370 posts

218 months

Saturday 27th October 2012
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Nick1point9 said:
Evoluzione said:
Nooo, no matter how much you skim from that head the squish clearance won't change, that is altered by the block (deck height), piston height and head gasket thickness.
Touché! I knew someone would be along to correct me!
That assumes that the correct +0.3mm headgasket would be used!

ian_uk1975

1,192 posts

232 months

Saturday 27th October 2012
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Evoluzione said:
Nooo, no matter how much you skim from that head the squish clearance won't change, that is altered by the block (deck height), piston height and head gasket thickness.
If you skim the head, the squish/quench clearance will change! It's the same as installing a thinner head gasket.

I think the most likely explanation here is a vacuum leak, by the description of the symptoms.

Pumaracing

2,089 posts

237 months

Sunday 28th October 2012
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ian_uk1975 said:
If you skim the head, the squish/quench clearance will change! It's the same as installing a thinner head gasket.
Squish clearance is the distance from the flat top surface of the piston (if any, not all pistons have this) to the flat surface of the cylinder head surrounding the combustion chamber. That distance doesn't change when skimming a head - only when skimming the block.

The distance from the piston crown to the top of the combustion chamber will reduce but that isn't defined as a squish clearance.

ian_uk1975

1,192 posts

232 months

Sunday 28th October 2012
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Pumaracing said:
Squish clearance is the distance from the flat top surface of the piston (if any, not all pistons have this) to the flat surface of the cylinder head surrounding the combustion chamber. That distance doesn't change when skimming a head - only when skimming the block.

The distance from the piston crown to the top of the combustion chamber will reduce but that isn't defined as a squish clearance.
Having trouble visualising that, but I don't doubt you are correct smile Time to do some revision as my mind has evidently gone a bit hazy on this topic!

I know a lot of people seem to get unnecessarily hung-up on quench when they're only building a street motor. I have about .058 quench on my 383,but still make just shy of 500bhp on super unleaded with no knock.

PaulKemp

979 posts

175 months

Sunday 28th October 2012
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Your squish is 1.5mm in European
We would run .9mm on a street motor running to 8000 rpm for safety .75 in race mode
Your bhp per litre is 80 not to shabby but room for improvment we would expect that from a factory motor
Honda S2000 runs 120 per litre N/A Mitsibishi runs 200 per litre (Turbo) in their FQ400

ian_uk1975

1,192 posts

232 months

Sunday 28th October 2012
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PaulKemp said:
Your squish is 1.5mm in European
We would run .9mm on a street motor running to 8000 rpm for safety .75 in race mode
Your bhp per litre is 80 not to shabby but room for improvment we would expect that from a factory motor
Honda S2000 runs 120 per litre N/A Mitsibishi runs 200 per litre (Turbo) in their FQ400
Except the S2000 uses a high-revving, 4v, MPI lump and a Gen-I SBC is a slow-revving, 2v, carb affair smile An NA 383 running 120/litre would be an insane full-on race motor. In fact, I doubt such a specific output is even possible without FI. Even then, it would be a race engine. If I wanted to improve my output, I'd be porting the heads rather than trying to optimise quench smile