2013 Fiesta ST used 2 litres of oil in 2000 miles
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Picked car up from dealer today after having the camshaft position sensor replaced (a story and a half itself!) to be casually told the car has somehow used 2 litres of oil in 2000 miles.
They say there are no leaks and can't explain why its used so much. Just told me to drive it 200 miles and take it back (thanks!)
I have checked the oil every 2 weeks since new and there's always been a good amount of oil shown. I have not had the oil light come on, no blue smoke to my knowledge and no smell of oil. And FWIW, over the last 1000 miles the car has been doing 34-35 MPG mostly on my commute which consists of 8 miles on a 40 MPH ring road to work and 10 miles of DC/4 miles b road back home.
What could be wrong?
They say there are no leaks and can't explain why its used so much. Just told me to drive it 200 miles and take it back (thanks!)
I have checked the oil every 2 weeks since new and there's always been a good amount of oil shown. I have not had the oil light come on, no blue smoke to my knowledge and no smell of oil. And FWIW, over the last 1000 miles the car has been doing 34-35 MPG mostly on my commute which consists of 8 miles on a 40 MPH ring road to work and 10 miles of DC/4 miles b road back home.
What could be wrong?
HustleRussell said:
I suppose Ford have told you it's within tolerance and they won't take any further investigative action unless it's at your expense?
If it is genuinely burning 1L/1000 miles I'll be surprised. keep an eye on it.
Not yet! The dealer has been hard enough work as it is, I don't need Ford on my case too..If it is genuinely burning 1L/1000 miles I'll be surprised. keep an eye on it.
Max_Torque said:
Thrash the tits off it for a bit. Two possible outcomes:
1) rings get properly bedded in. Oil consumption drops to virtually zero
or
2) Engine blows up, and you get a new under warranty. Oil consumption drops to virtually zero
;-)
Now why can't dealers be this fun? In all seriousness, I'm a bit miffed the dealer didn't do any testing on this.1) rings get properly bedded in. Oil consumption drops to virtually zero
or
2) Engine blows up, and you get a new under warranty. Oil consumption drops to virtually zero
;-)
So, I went out in the car last night and within half a mile (6 miles since picking up from dealer) the EML is back on.
Dealer says there is a wiring problem without looking at it!? They told me yesterday they replaced the exhaust cam position sensor.
If there is an issue with the wiring, why give the car back?
And can I ask any mechanics here with the knowledge of the above work being done and them finding the car had used 2 litres of oil in 2000 miles, should the car have been road tested at all?
Dealer says there is a wiring problem without looking at it!? They told me yesterday they replaced the exhaust cam position sensor.
If there is an issue with the wiring, why give the car back?
And can I ask any mechanics here with the knowledge of the above work being done and them finding the car had used 2 litres of oil in 2000 miles, should the car have been road tested at all?
trickywoo said:
Take it to a different dealer. This lot sound useless.
They have the car now so will have to give them the chance to fix it. From the little info they have given me so far suggest's they have done exactly what you shouldn't do i.e. change the sensor when there is a wiring issue.I don't think they will tackle the oil consumption issue until they have this sensor/wiring problem fixed.
Update:
Car will be at the dealers at least until tomorrow evening. Everything is still pretty vague, but sounds serious.
Apparently, the crankshaft and camshaft are misaligned? Not sure what they have tried to fix it, but they have given it an extended test drive and the engine symbol light is still coming on.
I get the impression they don't know whats wrong with it, or how to fix it. I feel at this point I should get another car.
I'm also wondering if the above problems could explain the high oil consumption?
Car will be at the dealers at least until tomorrow evening. Everything is still pretty vague, but sounds serious.
Apparently, the crankshaft and camshaft are misaligned? Not sure what they have tried to fix it, but they have given it an extended test drive and the engine symbol light is still coming on.
I get the impression they don't know whats wrong with it, or how to fix it. I feel at this point I should get another car.
I'm also wondering if the above problems could explain the high oil consumption?
AgentZ said:
Apparently, the crankshaft and camshaft are misaligned? Not sure what they have tried to fix it...
I'm also wondering if the above problems could explain the high oil consumption?
If that means what I think it means, it should be a simple job. The crankshaft and camshaft are supposed to be in very exact positions of rotation relative to each other and the diagnosis suggests that they are not. Older engine types would require them to remove the timing belt, rotate the crank or cam until they are in the correct positions and put everything back together. Newer engines have keyless pulleys and shafts so they would loosen the crank and cam pulleys, rotate the pulleys until the special locking tool will fit in position and tighten everything up.I'm also wondering if the above problems could explain the high oil consumption?
In certain conditions I think the above problem could cause extra oil consumption. If the pulleys are very badly out of phase it's possible there could be engine damage... could this be reason they are finding it hard to fix?
Locknut said:
If that means what I think it means, it should be a simple job. The crankshaft and camshaft are supposed to be in very exact positions of rotation relative to each other and the diagnosis suggests that they are not. Older engine types would require them to remove the timing belt, rotate the crank or cam until they are in the correct positions and put everything back together. Newer engines have keyless pulleys and shafts so they would loosen the crank and cam pulleys, rotate the pulleys until the special locking tool will fit in position and tighten everything up.
In certain conditions I think the above problem could cause extra oil consumption. If the pulleys are very badly out of phase it's possible there could be engine damage... could this be reason they are finding it hard to fix?
That's what I'm worried about Locknut. If the problem has been there from new then there could be untold engine problems in the future even if they rectify the misalignment's.In certain conditions I think the above problem could cause extra oil consumption. If the pulleys are very badly out of phase it's possible there could be engine damage... could this be reason they are finding it hard to fix?
I really don't feel I should risk that. The car is 4 months old and I read that it is very difficult to reject a car after 6 months.
I don't think it is unreasonable? Especially as far as searching Google, it seems to be a unique "bad egg" and there must be a large number of these 1.6 Ecoboost engines out there now.
Edit: Just checked ETIS out of curiosity and they have done a full system update of every module on the car FWIW.
Edited by AgentZ on Thursday 12th December 00:06
So I have the car back. Between yesterday and today, the service receptionist went from "we don't know what's wrong with it" to "all fixed, guaranteed not to happen again". Asked whether the oil consumption issue (turns out it used 2.5 litres) was related and told no. The master tech that worked on it doesn't think its a problem and I should just monitor it.
The car does feel and sound much better now though. Notably more powerful <3000 rpm...almost like I've had a remap. I'll be going away at the weekend so we will see if the engine light comes back on and how much, if any, oil it uses.
The car does feel and sound much better now though. Notably more powerful <3000 rpm...almost like I've had a remap. I'll be going away at the weekend so we will see if the engine light comes back on and how much, if any, oil it uses.
AgentZ said:
So I have the car back. Between yesterday and today, the service receptionist went from "we don't know what's wrong with it" to "all fixed, guaranteed not to happen again". Asked whether the oil consumption issue (turns out it used 2.5 litres) was related and told no. The master tech that worked on it doesn't think its a problem and I should just monitor it.
The car does feel and sound much better now though. Notably more powerful <3000 rpm...almost like I've had a remap. I'll be going away at the weekend so we will see if the engine light comes back on and how much, if any, oil it uses.
2.5 litres of oil is pretty much all of the oil in the system on most small engines. Were you topping it up when you checked it?The car does feel and sound much better now though. Notably more powerful <3000 rpm...almost like I've had a remap. I'll be going away at the weekend so we will see if the engine light comes back on and how much, if any, oil it uses.
davepoth said:
2.5 litres of oil is pretty much all of the oil in the system on most small engines. Were you topping it up when you checked it?
All I can say is after checking the level yesterday, the level looks the same as it did when I last checked it the Sunday before last. The dealer has stated it wasn't leaking or burning oil. The only thing I can think of is it was under filled at the factory and I was mis-reading the level.I believe this engine is 3.9 litres (4.1 with oil filter) The manual doesn't give a acceptable usage level, though obviously 2.5 litres in 2000 miles is silly usage but Ford do give a acceptable usage for the new EcoSport of up to 1 litre for the first 5000km (3100 miles).
The car is performing much better now so I'll see how it goes and hope no damage has been done, whatever the cause.
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