DCOE conundrum
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fergus

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299 months

Wednesday 6th April 2016
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I have a pair of 40 DCOE Webers fitted with 28mm chokes (fitted to a 1.3 Alfa Giulia).

My problem is that at idle, when attempting to balance/sync the bodies, barrels 1 & 2 on carb 1 are the same, but barrels 3 & 4 on carb 2 are not the same. The difference is about 1-1.5 kg/hr of air.

Easy I thought, the spindle is bent. Prior to removing the carbs, I did a crude check by removing the progression holes cover and checking to see where the butterfly was for each barrel on the problem carb at small throttle openings by shining a torch down the venture. In a pitch black garage, I couldn't discern any difference between the barrels this way.

I then removed the carbs and did a light test against the butterflies in the venture to check for rings of visible light. Both barrels appear to be the same.

A quick google suggested I look at the air bleed screws, but upon closer examination, my (Italian) bodies don't have air bleed screws fitted.

Any suggestions? The differences were found using an air flow meter.

stevieturbo

17,987 posts

271 months

Wednesday 6th April 2016
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If one carb is different than the other, the obvious place to look is the throttle linkages between the two.

Unless you're removing carbs/manifold/linkages all intact you may not see the problem

fergus

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Wednesday 6th April 2016
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stevieturbo said:
If one carb is different than the other, the obvious place to look is the throttle linkages between the two.

Unless you're removing carbs/manifold/linkages all intact you may not see the problem
Hi. The problem is between barrels on a single carb body, not balancing between two bodies.

stevieturbo

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Wednesday 6th April 2016
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So....Can you swap carbs side to side, to see if problem stays on came cylinder ?

Maybe for some reason there's an odd variation in the amount of air that cylinder is pulling vs the rest ?

fergus

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Wednesday 6th April 2016
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stevieturbo said:
So....Can you swap carbs side to side, to see if problem stays on came cylinder ?

Maybe for some reason there's an odd variation in the amount of air that cylinder is pulling vs the rest ?
That was my next train of thought!

Also, similarly to how carbs are often setup on a bike, I was planning to experiment with using a piece of pipe attached to the vacuum take off points between the two barrels to equalise the pressures on the engine side of the butterflies. This would still show different readings on a flow meter attached upstream of the throttle plates though...

Pumaracing

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231 months

Thursday 7th April 2016
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Do a compression test and see if you have a bad cylinder.

fergus

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Friday 8th April 2016
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Pumaracing said:
Do a compression test and see if you have a bad cylinder.
Doh! Should have thought of that! thanks for the reminder.

I've got access to leakdown kit if I need to check what the cause is if the comp. test reads low.