What's happened here??

[shwancapstan]

Hello Forum members.

First post...

Could anyone shed light on whats happened here?? Once I have some ideas, I'll tell you what the diagnosis was from a well known main dealer.

Thanks
sean .

Edited by shwancapstan on Wednesday 29th January 13:01

[geeks]

Looks like a hot spotted flywheel, usually caused by clutch slip.

Not sure what else you think it could be?

[uncleluck]

How old was the clutch?

The cover face doesn’t look old?

Assuming the two areas of rub marks line up between the cover and flywheel?

Almost looks like the clutch cover wasn’t down correctly at that bolt down point.

[shwancapstan]

ok - I'll give you a clue, flywheel assemble has disintegrated. But what could have caused this in a new vehicle?

Edited by shwancapstan on Wednesday 29th January 13:01

Edited by shwancapstan on Wednesday 29th January 13:05

Edited by shwancapstan on Wednesday 29th January 13:06

[WinstonWolf]

shwancapstan said:

ok - I'll give you a clue, flywheel assemble has disintegrated. But what could have caused this in a new vehicle?

WTF is going on with those holes???

[Olas]

Faulty components or a terminal lack of mechanical sympathy.

A rivet came loose and prompted the disintegration?

[InitialDave]

Is this a VW?

[shwancapstan]

No, its a Ford Transit.

[njw1]

shwancapstan said:

No, its a Ford Transit.

Driven by yourself or others?

[shwancapstan]

just self? What do you think has caused it?

[geeks]

shwancapstan said:

just self? What do you think has caused it?

Slipping the clutch, big loads, driving like you stole it.

Clutches fail for a whole host of reasons. Nothing looks to have disintegrated but it is tough to tell from the shoddy photos thus far.

Clearly you have a theory though, why not start with that?

[InitialDave]

Hmm, OK, last time I saw something like this on a new vehicle, it was a VW with a dished pressure plate (manufacturing defect) causing clutch slip/overheating, and apparently not a unique case.

[WinstonWolf]

geeks said:

shwancapstan said:

just self? What do you think has caused it?

Slipping the clutch, big loads, driving like you stole it.

Clutches fail for a whole host of reasons. Nothing looks to have disintegrated but it is tough to tell from the shoddy photos thus far.

Clearly you have a theory though, why not start with that?

From the picture it looks like the holes in the friction material have been double drilled.

[uncleluck]

Dual mass failure ruined caused the damaged. As for what caused the dial mass to die, usually the driver (if it’s decent parts)

I used to work on fleet and I’ve seen transits with dual mass flywheels absolutely knackered after only a few k from new. These were extreme though but usually happened to the road worker gangs who’s smash the absolute arse off the vans and tow mini diggers about. Same guys would get through brake pads in weeks!

Just to give you an idea of normality. My own (LWB) transit has had one clutch and flywheel from new after a gearbox fault the dealer warranted. There wasn’t even anything up with the parts but just replaced them while the box was off. It’s now on 178,000 miles and has done 132,000 on the last clutch and flywheel and all fine still. Thing is, it’s my van and I don’t beat the thing.

[paintman]

I'd say the holes are double drilled to accommodate the flaring of the rivet.

Last one I saw where the friction material was off was years ago & involved a Triumph Spitfire.
We'd supplied a complete clutch to a garage customer.
Came back within a fortnight with the driven plate in bits.
Sent out a replacement & we sent the first one to the manufacturer.
The replacement came back in much the same condition as the first but this time the garage, having made a few enquiries knew what the cause was.
The owner of the car was a young female who delighted in dropping the clutch & squealing the tyres. Fine with the original worn clutch but not with the new ones that didn't slip slightly.
She was advised by them that if the latest clutch came back in a similar state she would be charged full price for remove, replace, reassemble.
No further repeats!

[E-bmw]

Looks like the friction material has disintegrated & been re-rivetted back on very badly.

[stevieturbo]

pointless showing a picture of holes, and no reference to the plate itself to see if there are corresponding rivet holes.

If you are saying this is a new van...like brand new ? and how many miles ?

It may be a manufacturing defect, the cover doesnt look particularly burned, but all too often clutch failures are down to the driver.
But on such a new vehicle....surely that's warranty ?

[paintman]

Probably supposed to look like this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Clutch-Plate-Ford-Trans...

[227bhp]

Are you Ken Block?

[shwancapstan]

No I’m not ken block. Van has about 25k on be clock, always driven very sensibly, never towed. Last transit needed a new clutch at 175k. Dealers saying I’ve burnt the clutch out therefore not warranty claim. And that the fail clutch has then caused damage to the flywheel.